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mahina

(18,940 posts)
12. There was only one and that is the one I linked for you.
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 07:10 PM
Jul 2019

I am here in Hawai’i.

The Kia’i are on the mauna negotiating. This is a statewide movement and should not be diminished and looked down on with this kind of superior colonial perspective.
If so, there is no way this is no way forward.

People in the thousands marched in Waikiki. There are road blocks popping up. Hawaiian flags are flying upside down statewide.


There is no way support for tmt under UH administration is 78% among Hawaiians. It is closer to 20%.

Here are some direct links for you as well.
https://oiwi.tv/
https://kamamaluula.com/





Do you know? #GetTheFacts
Mauna Kea Timeline:

1964 – Mauna Kea is identified by UH as an exceptional site for astronomical observation.

1968 – UH signs a 65-year general lease from BLNR for 13,321 acres of ceded lands at the summit. BLNR can terminate the lease if the lease terms are not met, including care for the mauna. A permit for “an observatory”--meaning only one telescope-- was granted but numerous telescopes are built by UH without permits, input from Native Hawaiians and public hearings. BLNR later issues “after the fact” permits--again, without public hearings.

1974 – Governor George Ariyoshi, concerned that the activities on the mountain pose a threat to its “priceless qualities,” directs DLNR to make a Master Plan for the mauna. DLNR and UH draft 10 different plans, but the speed of development on Mauna Kea makes some of them obsolete before they are completed.

1975 – The Audubon Society resists the installation of the 15-meter sub-millimeter antenna.

1995 – UH cleans up trash accumulating on the summit only after the Sierra Club files a complaint.

1998 – The State Auditor releases a scathing report documenting 30 years of mismanagement of Mauna Kea by both the BLNR and UH and reveals that, despite spending $50 million per year on telescope operations, no observatory paid more than $1 a year rent.

1999 – Despite the audit, they build two more telescopes.

2004 – Subpoenaed documents reveal that sewage, ethylene glycol, diesel fuel, and toxic mercury were spilled on the mauna.

2005 – A follow-up audit finds that UH’s management “still falls short.” A NASA environmental study concludes that 35 years of astronomy activity has caused “significant, substantial and adverse” harm.

2007 – Third Circuit Court revokes NASA’s permit for an observatory project because of the state’s lack of a comprehensive management plan for the mauna.

2010 – UH’s new Comprehensive Management Plan includes a “Decommissioning Plan” for removing observatories and restoring the site. To date, only one of the existing 13 observatories has started the process. A UH environmental study concludes that astronomy activities have caused “substantial and adverse” impacts to the mauna’s natural and cultural resources.

2011 – The Subaru Observatory spills 100 liters of orange coolant.

2013 – BLNR hears UH’s request for a new 65-year general lease, to expire in 2078. UH’s undergraduate governing body, representing 14,000 students, passes a resolution opposing a new lease.

2014 – Another follow-up audit finds UH failed to adopt a single rule to manage public activities on the mountain.

2015 – Governor David Ige temporarily stops construction on Mauna Kea after 300 mauna protectors peacefully block roads to the proposed TMT site and 31 are arrested. A petition with 53,000 signatures calling for a halt to the TMT and the arrests of protectors is delivered to Ige. UH’s President admits that “[UH] has not met all of [its] obligations to the mountain or the expectations of the community.”

2017 – Another audit finds that none of the 8 recommendations in the 2014 audit had been completely implemented. UH and DLNR have also failed and to adequately implement 32 of 54 management actions that concern Native Hawaiians.

(Original post by Heidi Hart)

The problem is that many religious arguments are provably wrong. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2019 #1
I agree. Religion (mythology) should typically yield to Science bitterross Jul 2019 #5
The hot spot responsible for Mauna Kea did "birth" all of Hawaii FBaggins Jul 2019 #2
That was a study citing a sample size of 78 Hawaiians. mahina Jul 2019 #6
I didn't reference a particular study. FBaggins Jul 2019 #10
There was only one and that is the one I linked for you. mahina Jul 2019 #12
There's only one? FBaggins Jul 2019 #14
If there was another survey that showed support in that range it would be in the mahina Jul 2019 #17
This I've got to hear FBaggins Jul 2019 #18
Didn't say anything about the DNC mahina Jul 2019 #19
The Democratic Party in Hawaii is part of the DNC FBaggins Jul 2019 #25
You completely misunderstand the scale of the problem. mahina Jul 2019 #26
Lol. I appreciate the entertainment. FBaggins Jul 2019 #27
It's Not Quite As Simple As That Me. Jul 2019 #3
More Me. Jul 2019 #4
Except this isn't the US government. n/t Igel Jul 2019 #7
To That I Would Have To Say That The US Presence Has Always been Felt In Hawaii Me. Jul 2019 #15
I agree there is more to it. edhopper Jul 2019 #9
Well THis May Not Be The Discussion You Intended Me. Jul 2019 #16
I don't mind edhopper Jul 2019 #21
Thanks, Me Hekate Jul 2019 #11
There's all sorts of differences Major Nikon Aug 2019 #40
Thank you. mahina Jul 2019 #20
Mahalo, Me, for your input Cha Jul 2019 #33
... Me. Jul 2019 #35
These things tend to be highly spun. Igel Jul 2019 #8
To be fair the money received would be split 80/20 mahina Jul 2019 #22
This might be something of a change of pace, but I kind of agree. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #46
I'm surprised but am supportive of the native rights...I thought that there were already ... SWBTATTReg Jul 2019 #13
Post #15 Me. Jul 2019 #23
There are many telescopes edhopper Jul 2019 #24
Probably don't want people with massive telescopes looking democratisphere Jul 2019 #28
That's Tahitian. mahina Jul 2019 #29
Hey! I needed grass skirt hula dancers and this is what boogle gave me. democratisphere Jul 2019 #30
Hey, no worse reasoning than some! mahina Jul 2019 #31
When I read stuff like this I tend to think about people PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2019 #32
Ignorant? Me. Jul 2019 #34
Yeah, I know I'm extremely biased in favor of reality. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2019 #36
Nice Try At Whataboutism Me. Jul 2019 #37
Nope. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2019 #38
You're Stomping All Over Other's Beliefs Disrespectfully Me. Jul 2019 #39
If belief is free to promote itself... Major Nikon Aug 2019 #41
They Aren't Promoting Me. Aug 2019 #42
You are missing the point Major Nikon Aug 2019 #43
They Can Disparage It All They Want Me. Aug 2019 #44
That wasn't the point either Major Nikon Aug 2019 #45
That Was One Of My Points Me. Aug 2019 #47
I am Native American Major Nikon Aug 2019 #48
Of Course I'm Not In Favor Of Irredememably ChangIng Hawaii Me. Aug 2019 #50
You did make it clear as did I Major Nikon Aug 2019 #51
What? Me. Aug 2019 #52
On the one hand I am indifferent to 'sacredness'. AtheistCrusader Aug 2019 #49
Despite its small size, large parts of Hawaii are still relatively unspoiled Major Nikon Aug 2019 #53
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