Religion

Major Nikon

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5. You just don't understand

Sat Sep 28, 2019, 03:28 PM

Sep 2019

In the rare instances where religion actually manages to help save the planet:

Thanks, religion. We couldn’t have done it without you.

In the much more frequent case where religion is counterproductive to that effort:

Human nature. Religion has nothing to do with it.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

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To save the planet, we need faith, ethics, science and economics [View all] guillaumeb Sep 2019 OP

We don't need religious faith. We need action. Religion is partly why we're here. bitterross Sep 2019 #1

Many do not "need" religion. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #3

That's your opinion. I don't need you to tell me what I need. bitterross Sep 2019 #19

I am not telling you what you need, guillaumeb Sep 2019 #22

Its not just that they differ from us. Eko Oct 2019 #54

The evangelicals in my family are into the "God controls everything and what happens is his will" walkingman Oct 2019 #78

Religion not needed, frequently used Voltaire2 Sep 2019 #2

Those who wish to obstruct can always find a "reason" to do so. eom guillaumeb Sep 2019 #4

You just don't understand Major Nikon Sep 2019 #5

Far too simplistic, guillaumeb Sep 2019 #8

Faith, is what got us into this mess... NeoGreen Sep 2019 #6

"Faith" did not get us into this mess. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #7

Fundementally...yeah...it did... NeoGreen Sep 2019 #9

In a black and white world, guillaumeb Sep 2019 #10

Is that your new thing edhopper Sep 2019 #11

No, simply an observation. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #12

Science is not a belief edhopper Sep 2019 #13

No, but scientists invented nuclear weapons. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #14

People don't act because of their edhopper Sep 2019 #15

Scientists invent things. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #20

"God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq" -- G W Bush. trotsky Sep 2019 #25

Feel free to answer the actual question. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #33

Ask a reasonable question and I will. n/t trotsky Sep 2019 #38

Why bother? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #63

It is almost as if... NeoGreen Sep 2019 #16

Much like your "faith is the problem" concept? guillaumeb Sep 2019 #21

Whatever you need to get through the day... NeoGreen Sep 2019 #23

good reading... Locrian Sep 2019 #28

I have not read that book. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #34

Yet there is nothing in "science" that says you should attack your enemies. trotsky Sep 2019 #39

right - that's all I'm saying... Locrian Sep 2019 #40

I would argue that 'science', in particular 'climate science' strongly suggests that I should resist mr_lebowski Oct 2019 #52

Literalist! Major Nikon Sep 2019 #17

Toxicity! Misframing! Whataboutism! Semiotics! Mariana Sep 2019 #18

lol AtheistCrusader Sep 2019 #31

Certainly did. Most climate deniers are faithful. They think faith trumps reality. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #77

So non-believers aren't welcome? trotsky Sep 2019 #24

Your question should have been answered if you even read the excerpt I provided. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #35

No, that doesn't answer my question. trotsky Sep 2019 #37

The opinion piece is intended for theists. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #41

Really? Where in the piece does it say that? trotsky Oct 2019 #44

I understand your need for this narrative. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #49

What fucking narrative? I asked you WHERE IN THE PIECE it says what you claimed. trotsky Oct 2019 #55

Read the actual article, guillaumeb Oct 2019 #56

Oh stop with this nonsense already. I asked you a question. trotsky Oct 2019 #58

No, you attempted to create a controversy where none exists. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #65

You made the claim (namely, that the article is directed at theists). trotsky Oct 2019 #69

Nonsense. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #70

No, really, you made that claim. trotsky Oct 2019 #71

Do you really expect... NeoGreen Oct 2019 #72

I do not expect actual dialogue from some few here. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #73

"actual dialogue" trotsky Oct 2019 #75

Ha, of course not. trotsky Oct 2019 #74

We need all hands on deck using all our knowledge, innovation and resources dlk Sep 2019 #26

Aaaaaactually religion and science are mutually exclusive: DetlefK Sep 2019 #27

From my excerpt of this opinion piece: guillaumeb Sep 2019 #36

"If you contribute to global warming, you might be consigned to the fires of hell" Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #29

Given that we have had a highly religious human population to date, AtheistCrusader Sep 2019 #30

What is that infamous internet meme about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting... NeoGreen Sep 2019 #32

What specifically does "faith" bring to the table? Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #42

Faith motivates people. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #43

The author also warns that anyone contributing to global warming is going to hell. trotsky Oct 2019 #45

I don't agree with your assessment here ... mr_lebowski Oct 2019 #53

The bigotry is best shown with this statement: trotsky Oct 2019 #57

Well, I'm an absolutely raging atheist, but I take no offense because I believe that the point ... mr_lebowski Oct 2019 #60

Right, because convincing a bunch of diverse religionists of a common religious goal... trotsky Oct 2019 #61

What are you talking about? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #62

"But the climate crisis will require not only an ethical vision but a religious one." Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #46

Guess these are our "allies". Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #47

I'm going to write a follow-up article. trotsky Oct 2019 #48

The author, obviously, is speaking to theists. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #50

Objection. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #51

"obviously" why? trotsky Oct 2019 #59

Even if that's true, it's shitty rallying the troops while excluding others. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #64

There is no exclusion. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #66

He doesn't say that "faith isn't enough." He claims that faith is needed. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #67

For theists, faith is needed. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #68

Faith is counter-productive, anti-reality. Get real. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #76

Tell that to the scientists of faith. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #79

Like this one? AtheistCrusader Oct 2019 #80

They key word in my reply was "scientists". guillaumeb Oct 2019 #81

I do sometimes miss things. But no, I didn't miss it in your post. AtheistCrusader Oct 2019 #89

I did. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #91

Name some. MineralMan Oct 2019 #82

... Mariana Oct 2019 #83

And there is this as well: guillaumeb Oct 2019 #85

We've had this conversation before in this group, Gil. Mariana Oct 2019 #86

My response was to MM's question in #82. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #87

And my response was to your post in #85. nt. Mariana Oct 2019 #88

You just don't understand Major Nikon Nov 2019 #94

Georges LeMaitre. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #84

Dyson is a spinozan-type god. AtheistCrusader Oct 2019 #90

I note that not a single one of these scientists has a thing to do with Climate. AtheistCrusader Oct 2019 #92

True. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #93