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In reply to the discussion: 23 Famous Scientists Who Are Not Atheists [View all]The same applies to you; if you're going to dismiss the assumption that a mundane human can assess mundane human perceptions, then you must certainly reject any hope that a mundane human can accurately assess the existence of a transcendent entity.
You seem to argue that there is some kind of proof that love is a real, and that it isn't an illusion. If it is real, it would also involve free will, and you seem to assume that your perception is not fallible.
For purposes of the discussion, I am willing to assume the correctness of my perceptions as they pertain to mundane matters. That's a much, much smaller assumption than "a transcendent spiritual entity exists, and my own perceptions confirm that existence in spite of the lack of any verifiable evidence."
Love, free will, self-certainty -- it all sounds very spiritual.
LOL, sure, if you're willing to assume your conclusion, as religionists generally are.
In contrast to that assumption, emotions (like love and self-certainty) are a function of neurochemical reactions, and "free will" is at best a nebulous concept.
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What evidence do you have that you ever fell in love with anyone, other than personal revelation?
Doodley
Oct 2019
#7
This is no verbal trickery. You ASSUME you are capable of accurately judging if you are/were
Doodley
Oct 2019
#15
"...if you're willing to assume your conclusion, as religionists generally are." I'm an atheist.
Doodley
Oct 2019
#29
It is still a human construct. A man might have similar physical reactions when praying - not proof
Doodley
Nov 2019
#80
I can totally agree that "love" and "god" have the same amount of evidence of existing...
trotsky
Nov 2019
#82
Many in the hierarchies of the various religions do advocate for their own views.
guillaumeb
Oct 2019
#33
'Many' in this case is 'infintestmally small' compared to the population.
AtheistCrusader
Nov 2019
#56
Never confuse "reality" with one person's perceptions and unprovable assertions.
guillaumeb
Oct 2019
#17
Yeah, but you can martyr yourself without directly tearing other people down.
Act_of_Reparation
Oct 2019
#41