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In reply to the discussion: Hallmark Apologizes, Backtracks After Saying It Would Pull Ads with Lesbian Kiss [View all]AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)57. Uh no, I specified 13 (nearly 14) other nations above the 50% mark on population atheism.
All of which are massively tolerant, especially on the question of LGBT rights, and most of which host the most recommended tourist destinations for LGBT individuals. Because they are safe, and tolerant.
It's not a 'no true scotsman' fallacy to point out Communists played a simple substitution of State/Party for Religion/God, and continue to behave as a theocracy. All the examples that exist today, on the most tolerant list, simply do not behave anything like a communist nation, even with high degrees of socialism. Socialism and Communism aren't the same things.
The only 'atheistic' nations on the intolerant top 20 list, JUST HAPPEN to be communist.
No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity, is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample. Rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it by rhetoric, without reference to any specific objective rule ("no true Scotsman would do such a thing"; i.e., those who perform that action are not part of our group and thus criticism of that action is not criticism of the group).
For me to perform that fallacy, I would have to show those two 'atheistic' nations aren't somehow atheistic, by changing the defintion. But if they are political theocracies, I don't have to change anything. They can call themselves atheistic all they want. They can officially promote atheism as a personal theological belief all day long, it doesn't change the fact that they are communist, and thus have deified the state, and maintain to this very day a political theocracy.
I don't have to do any re-definition at all. They did it for me with their basic nature. China isn't an example of atheistic intolerance of LGBT issues. It's a political theocracy, with a long standing religiously-sourced hostility to LGBT rights.
From Wikipedia:
Homosexuality and homoeroticism in China have been documented since ancient times. According to certain studies by the University of London,[2] homosexuality was regarded as a normal facet of life in China, prior to Western influence from 1840 onwards.[3] Several early Chinese emperors are speculated to have had homosexual relationships accompanied by heterosexual ones.[4] Opposition to homosexuality, according to these same studies, did not become firmly established in China until the 19th and 20th centuries, through the Westernization efforts of the late Qing dynasty and the early Chinese Republic.[5]
The religious bigotries of the West caused this. The Communists took over and ran with the ball. They're ebbing, and so too is the hostility towards LGBT rights.
Your example is, and always has been, bullshit.
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Hallmark Apologizes, Backtracks After Saying It Would Pull Ads with Lesbian Kiss [View all]
trotsky
Dec 2019
OP
The fact that this is the Halmark channel makes the lining a little more silver
Major Nikon
Dec 2019
#7
Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong among the least gay-friendly cities ranked in global survey
guillaumeb
Dec 2019
#10
And the truth is, China is very intolerant of theists, and LGBTQ people. eom
guillaumeb
Dec 2019
#14
Where in the Atheist Bible does Not-God command the persecution of theists and LGBTQ people?
Act_of_Reparation
Dec 2019
#19
Of course I don't. You are deflecting so you don't have to acknowledge your behavior.
trotsky
Dec 2019
#35
If you understand humans, why do you keep banging that 'atheist' drum about China, when it
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2019
#48
Uh no, I specified 13 (nearly 14) other nations above the 50% mark on population atheism.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2019
#57
I didn't invent my own definitions. I observed what the subject nations ARE.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2019
#61
...agonizing over this decision as we've seen the hurt it has unintentionally caused.
Mariana
Dec 2019
#38
The 'hurt' was to their pocketbook estimates. Hallmark is a corporation selling things.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2019
#51
Extremely profitable (high-margin) things I would add ... that can RATHER easily be done without ...
mr_lebowski
Dec 2019
#53