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TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
6. The simplest answer is we are all "sinners" who are attracted to "the church" and make mistakes.
Fri Jun 4, 2021, 12:48 PM
Jun 2021

No one is perfect and people in power know how to push buttons to get results.

FEED THE LIES

** Abortion is bad = if someone supports pro-choice they are murdering babies. VOTE AGAINST THEM.

People HATE murder and rightly so. IF YOU HATE THE ACT, then hate "the murderer" but it is a false equivalency.

No one who truly understands abortion would like to have babies murdered.
But at what point is the baby technically alive and what other options are available to people who want control over their own bodies is a higher question than the blatant false equivalency.

** YOU WORK HARD, give your money to GOD, not some lazy heathen. VOTE AGAINST SOCIAL PROGRAMS.

Believing that helping via the church is better than letting the government help people is a slippery slope. The people in the church can be doing good works and feel that is enough but don't understand the full scope of disadvantage is being faced and how deep the talons of the rich are in the pocketbook of America. HOW little Social Programs cost vs the fallout of no safety net.



BEING A REAL CHRISTIAN IS CONSTANT HARD WORK AND REQUIRES HUMILITY AND SELF EXAMINATION.

It's a lot easier to go to church and feel better, be judgemental and work on yourself a little bit.


I was raised Catholic and I understand the deeper aspects of many of the rituals.

Confession for instance fosters the idea of self examination.

Communion and examining the crucifixion fosters a connection to the idea that there IS forgiveness and that even if it was just a historical event, someone went to great lengths to bring the idea about that if we live our lives in a better way, we are not slaves to the past.

Hearing the Bible read and examining the lessons it teaches in a group setting can be a good thing. A lot of morality is based on the principals it contains and that isn't all bad. Beating people over the head with the Bible, not such a good thing.

Jesus himself was all about telling people to keep their own noses clean and not be in other people's business.

SO anyone who truly looks to the words and deeds of Christ will not be judging their neighbor as much as someone who just walks in the doors to feel better about themselves.

Everyone, Christians and non-Christians fall short of their ideals. So even well intentioned folks will act in ways against their own morality in times of great stress.


It's kinda like people at a gym feeling superior over people who don't go to a gym even if they aren't getting huge results or just maintaining themselves. Some people will simply feel proud of their own achievements and others will want to rub someone's nose in it.

We all have good and bad impulses, it takes discipline and self awareness to REALLY do the right thing on a consistent basis and going to church and challenging yourself to be a better person is often a way to keep yourself in check. There are other ways and sometimes church becomes a manipulation platform with willing listeners. So people in power will use it if they can.




Religiosity [View all] walkingman Jun 2021 OP
"The Church" in various respects has been courted and used by those in power to control people.... TigressDem Jun 2021 #1
From what I have seen I have seen it is indeed about control and that seems walkingman Jun 2021 #13
To me, a true Christian is there to work on their own stuff. TigressDem Jun 2021 #37
Very thoughtful. If more people thought and lived like that I might have walkingman Jun 2021 #39
A lot of DEM Christians DO live that way. TigressDem Jun 2021 #41
Thanks DU for hearing me out. Nt TigressDem Jun 2021 #42
Amen ItsjustMe Jun 2021 #2
FREEDOM of Worship IS part of the American Identity. TigressDem Jun 2021 #9
You have no Idea who posted what ItsjustMe Jun 2021 #10
Then it seems I misunderstood your point. TigressDem Jun 2021 #25
Welcome to my ItsjustMe Jun 2021 #30
So I reach out to understand you better... TigressDem Jun 2021 #36
Then it seems I misunderstood your point. TigressDem Jun 2021 #26
I would welcome a "Freedom from Religion" movement because what we have now walkingman Jun 2021 #14
I get how it seems that way. TigressDem Jun 2021 #27
So should we assume that you're "post removed?" ms liberty Jun 2021 #23
Was that directed at me ? TigressDem Jun 2021 #28
No it was to the OP...sorry! I'm on my phone too, lol. n/t ms liberty Jun 2021 #33
Their religion is the one they made up to suit themselves. LakeArenal Jun 2021 #3
True, however, He did ask people to come together in His memory. TigressDem Jun 2021 #8
Christianity is not the really the topic. LakeArenal Jun 2021 #11
Not so sure that it is just the current brand of evangelicalism. I think racism is at the root walkingman Jun 2021 #15
Maybe. LakeArenal Jun 2021 #17
Religion to me is more like a map. TigressDem Jun 2021 #29
The question seems to me, HOW do they go to church.. TigressDem Jun 2021 #24
My folks sent me to Summer Bible School from ages 8-13 LakeArenal Jun 2021 #32
I am more about walking the walk than talking about it. TigressDem Jun 2021 #35
if one believes that a white GODman sits on a throne in the sky... Layzeebeaver Jun 2021 #4
To quote someone.. padfun Jun 2021 #5
AND... My version of a response to that TigressDem Jun 2021 #7
The simplest answer is we are all "sinners" who are attracted to "the church" and make mistakes. TigressDem Jun 2021 #6
I think it audacious to say all people are sinners. LakeArenal Jun 2021 #12
One man's sin is another man's virtue. I think using the analogy that all people are walkingman Jun 2021 #16
Especially if you can be a vicious lecherous fat sack ... LakeArenal Jun 2021 #18
I cannot see how any woman could possibly embrace a religion that walkingman Jun 2021 #19
🤷🏼‍♀️ Yeah. Although I am glad we have freedom from religion. LakeArenal Jun 2021 #21
Having a photo op with a Bible doesn't make one a Christian. TigressDem Jun 2021 #40
I didn't say all people are sinners. TigressDem Jun 2021 #31
Back to my original topic - what about right-wing politics is attractive to Christians? walkingman Jun 2021 #20
It's NOT. That's the whitewash. TigressDem Jun 2021 #34
It's been a love affair ever since the GOP put... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2021 #22
Not ALL Christians buy the BS TigressDem Jun 2021 #38
Of course not. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2021 #43
This reflects my feeling about religion in so many ways. As I said earlier....why... walkingman Jun 2021 #44
A huge part of religion is about signalling you belong to a group - often the majority in the area muriel_volestrangler Jun 2021 #45
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