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FBaggins

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30. Because the constitution was in no sense anti-religious
Thu Oct 27, 2022, 06:17 AM
Oct 2022

You can't read "no law establishing" without the "free exercise" part of the clause and then just imagine what you think it means.

So many people had come here because they couldn't worship as they desired in their home countries - because those countries had state religions and often persecuted anyone who was not part of those "established" religions. So the founders intentionally created a union designed to avoid establishing a national religion. But nowhere did they say that religion in general could not be part of public life. They were clearly asking themselves what would allow the most "free exercise" for a pluralistic country... and clearly settled on keeping the federal government from picking a winning church/denomination.

Note that, at the time, they had no trouble with state religions. Nor did they have trouble with even federal statements of religiousness. Your reading of their intent cannot be correct or else the men who wrote it would not have allowed prayer in opening congressional sessions. You're faced with asking yourself "why didn't someone stand up at that first prayer and say 'um... guys? Didn't we just say that we couldn't do that???"



Bad logic Lithos Oct 2022 #1
It doesnt say "a" religion. Eko Oct 2022 #3
I think you're right to focus on each word. TheBeam19 Oct 2022 #5
the process of starting or creating something, Eko Oct 2022 #7
So religion wasn't started or created TheBeam19 Oct 2022 #8
Of course I never said that at all. Eko Oct 2022 #12
Okay. TheBeam19 Oct 2022 #16
Because to believe in god is to believe in religion. Eko Oct 2022 #17
You were focused on the words of TheBeam19 Oct 2022 #19
Not sure what you are talking about. Eko Oct 2022 #20
That's why I asked TheBeam19 Oct 2022 #23
If the law talks about god,,,, Eko Oct 2022 #24
Now you can show me religions that dont believe in Gods, Eko Oct 2022 #18
Religion is a noun, let put other nouns in there to see if it works. Eko Oct 2022 #6
It IS wrong, but it's long gone. elleng Oct 2022 #2
Thanks! Eko Oct 2022 #4
Because "trust" falls short of "worship"? Zambero Oct 2022 #9
It doesnt say anyting about trust, Eko Oct 2022 #13
Because god-botherers on the Supreme Court have said that up is down and right is left and RockRaven Oct 2022 #10
War is peace. Eko Oct 2022 #11
In God awe Trust was invented as a national motto in the fifties along with "uber God" in the pledge hedda_foil Oct 2022 #14
Ya I know. Eko Oct 2022 #15
Religion, as an attempt to explain forces that control the universe and the afterlife... 3Hotdogs Oct 2022 #21
Wow really? Eko Oct 2022 #22
Sounds more like a belief than anything you can demonstrate with evidence Major Nikon Oct 2022 #25
This position might do that edhopper Oct 2022 #32
It doesn't matter if they are wrong Major Nikon Oct 2022 #26
It's not the "God" reference that bothers me. madamesilverspurs Oct 2022 #27
USSC decisions have it both ways: no_hypocrisy Oct 2022 #28
As long as I define God as... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2022 #29
Because the constitution was in no sense anti-religious FBaggins Oct 2022 #30
They had all sorts of problems with state religions Major Nikon Oct 2022 #31
You misunderstand "state". Igel Nov 2022 #34
You must not have read past my first sentence Major Nikon Nov 2022 #35
Because the courts ruled that it's a meaningless phrase enki23 Oct 2022 #33
Kinda makes you just a bit proud knowing we have complete gibberish for a national motto Major Nikon Nov 2022 #36
Great one, missed this somehow. Eko Nov 2022 #38
Because, as usual, default Americans looked at it and agreed among themselves... Iggo Nov 2022 #37
I like to challenge myself and others, and you presented a challege to me Eko Nov 2022 #39
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