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Igel

(36,108 posts)
34. You misunderstand "state".
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 07:26 PM
Nov 2022

You try, but it fails. This was strictly a restriction on the supra-state *federal* government. My *state* had an official religion.

They're not the same thing, states vs the federal government. Some had issues, but they were also hands-off.

Note that the status of Thanksgiving is seldom protested--but that was the very topic that begat the "wall of separation" lingo at whose altar so many worship. A proclamation of a day of thanksgiving would violate that "wall" and be doubly unconstitutional, without authorization for a president to proclaim and without authorization for Congress to grant authority to the prez. Yet what's up in 3 weeks? Something that few say is anathema to the Constitution.

We have federal holidays like Xmas and Easter. But "in g-d we trust" gets the ire. T-day, and the others get us days off or double-time pay.

I'm okay with my personal and sick days going to my religion's holidays. I'm not okay with having to take off as forced down-time to honor others' religious holidays *and* use my days off for my religion. Yet meaningless phrases torment some.

Bad logic Lithos Oct 2022 #1
It doesnt say "a" religion. Eko Oct 2022 #3
I think you're right to focus on each word. TheBeam19 Oct 2022 #5
the process of starting or creating something, Eko Oct 2022 #7
So religion wasn't started or created TheBeam19 Oct 2022 #8
Of course I never said that at all. Eko Oct 2022 #12
Okay. TheBeam19 Oct 2022 #16
Because to believe in god is to believe in religion. Eko Oct 2022 #17
You were focused on the words of TheBeam19 Oct 2022 #19
Not sure what you are talking about. Eko Oct 2022 #20
That's why I asked TheBeam19 Oct 2022 #23
If the law talks about god,,,, Eko Oct 2022 #24
Now you can show me religions that dont believe in Gods, Eko Oct 2022 #18
Religion is a noun, let put other nouns in there to see if it works. Eko Oct 2022 #6
It IS wrong, but it's long gone. elleng Oct 2022 #2
Thanks! Eko Oct 2022 #4
Because "trust" falls short of "worship"? Zambero Oct 2022 #9
It doesnt say anyting about trust, Eko Oct 2022 #13
Because god-botherers on the Supreme Court have said that up is down and right is left and RockRaven Oct 2022 #10
War is peace. Eko Oct 2022 #11
In God awe Trust was invented as a national motto in the fifties along with "uber God" in the pledge hedda_foil Oct 2022 #14
Ya I know. Eko Oct 2022 #15
Religion, as an attempt to explain forces that control the universe and the afterlife... 3Hotdogs Oct 2022 #21
Wow really? Eko Oct 2022 #22
Sounds more like a belief than anything you can demonstrate with evidence Major Nikon Oct 2022 #25
This position might do that edhopper Oct 2022 #32
It doesn't matter if they are wrong Major Nikon Oct 2022 #26
It's not the "God" reference that bothers me. madamesilverspurs Oct 2022 #27
USSC decisions have it both ways: no_hypocrisy Oct 2022 #28
As long as I define God as... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2022 #29
Because the constitution was in no sense anti-religious FBaggins Oct 2022 #30
They had all sorts of problems with state religions Major Nikon Oct 2022 #31
You misunderstand "state". Igel Nov 2022 #34
You must not have read past my first sentence Major Nikon Nov 2022 #35
Because the courts ruled that it's a meaningless phrase enki23 Oct 2022 #33
Kinda makes you just a bit proud knowing we have complete gibberish for a national motto Major Nikon Nov 2022 #36
Great one, missed this somehow. Eko Nov 2022 #38
Because, as usual, default Americans looked at it and agreed among themselves... Iggo Nov 2022 #37
I like to challenge myself and others, and you presented a challege to me Eko Nov 2022 #39
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