So I am at work this afternoon out front taking a smoke break with 2 of my employees.

[ancianita]

29. It is quite the affront, isn't it.

But don't believe these women haven't been trained the way their patriarchal families wanted them to go -- whether at home or at church -- missionary work has been on done on the backs of women for centuries. Don't think they weren't trained to think they had made a real choice about this.

I've had the parallel experience when men -- at home, work, dates -- think they can just groom-talk women into being in their image.

As an atheist I feel you, get your experience. But I know that women in male god/male run religions are not agents of their own lives, nor are they considered spiritual equals in their religions.

Thanks for the rant. Glad to hear it.