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Warren Stupidity

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Fri Nov 27, 2015, 11:47 AM Nov 2015

Spooked What do we learn about science from a controversy in physics? [View all]



What makes science science? The pious answers are: its ceaseless curiosity in the face of mystery, its keen edge of experimental objectivity, its endless accumulation of new data, and the cool machines it uses. We stare, the scientists see; we gawk, they gaze. We guess; they know.

But there are revisionist scholars who question the role of scientists as magi. Think how much we take on faith, even with those wonders of science that seem open to the non-specialist’s eye. The proliferation of hominids—all those near-men and proto-men and half-apes found in the fossil record, exactly as Darwin predicted—rests on the interpretation of a few blackened Serengeti mandibles that it would take a lifetime’s training to really evaluate. (And those who have put in the time end up squabbling anyway.


Worse, small hints of what seems like scamming reach even us believers. Every few weeks or so, in the Science Times, we find out that some basic question of the universe has now been answered—but why, we wonder, weren’t we told about the puzzle until after it was solved? Results announced as certain turn out to be hard to replicate. Triumphs look retrospectively engineered. This has led revisionist historians and philosophers to suggest that science is a kind of scam—a socially agreed-on fiction no more empirically grounded than any other socially agreed-on fiction, a faith like any other (as the defenders of faiths like any other like to say). Back when, people looked at old teeth and broken bones with the eye of faith and called them relics; we look at them with the eye of another faith and call them proof. What’s different?

The defense of science against this claim turns out to be complicated, for the simple reason that, as a social activity, science is vulnerable to all the comedy inherent in any social activity: group thinking, self-pleasing, and running down the competition in order to get the customer’s (or, in this case, the government’s) cash. Books about the history of science should therefore be about both science and scientists, about the things they found and the way they found them. A good science writer has to show us the fallible men and women who made the theory, and then show us why, after the human foibles are boiled off, the theory remains reliable.


http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/11/30/spooked-books-adam-gopnik
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What a twit skepticscott Nov 2015 #1
That's not what his point is. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #2
Saying that it's "complicated" skepticscott Nov 2015 #4
This^ AlbertCat Nov 2015 #5
"A few blackened Serengei mandibles"?? AlbertCat Nov 2015 #6
But he didn't mention evolution at all muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #7
Please tell me you're being sarcastic skepticscott Nov 2015 #8
I'm perfectly serious, because I read the thing, and didn't have a kneejerk muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #9
The "proliferation of hominids" skepticscott Nov 2015 #10
No, the proliferation of hominids is not evolution muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #11
"But it is a special kind of social activity, one where lots of different human traits— AlbertCat Nov 2015 #14
Who said it was 'news'? It's a book review in the New Yorker muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #15
It's a book review in the New Yorker AlbertCat Nov 2015 #17
And you call me 'obtuse'. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #18
I pointed it out because skepticscott had said muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #19
The authors pretends that bullshit, strawman arguments are somehow legitimate skepticscott Nov 2015 #21
Yes, you are being deliberately obtuse skepticscott Nov 2015 #20
You said you were loving this; don't throw a tantrum, when you're tiring of your lesson muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #22
You still can't grasp the difference between talking about evolution skepticscott Nov 2015 #23
Your simple point was wrong. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #24
The dispute between Bohr and Einstein skepticscott Nov 2015 #25
OK: muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #26
No, obviously he isn't referring to evolution, because he doesn't talk about it. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #12
And the dividing line between species, AlbertCat Nov 2015 #13
And that's the point; you can't work out that dividing line from fossils muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #16
An interesting bit of philosophistry Yorktown Nov 2015 #3
Well...Science is hardly just a "social activity" Duppers Dec 2015 #27
The scientific method can be derived from statistics. Religious belief violates statistics. DetlefK Dec 2015 #28
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