2016 Postmortem

Lucinda

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11. I think we need another option on your poll.

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:56 PM

Feb 2016

If we just skip over the issue of if we could even get a tax being passed at all for the purpose, and assume it could be, I think higher education has too many moving parts, and as mentioned above there are negative consequences for some institutions if we implemented a unilateral change.

I think the best solution to help the most people will likely be a bit more complicated system of change.

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Poll: Where do you stand on free tuition to state colleges and universities [View all] JDPriestly Feb 2016 OP

It should be easy to afford a college education. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #1

I think Bernie is right Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #2

I vote in support but there needs to be some type of means testing. Purveyor Feb 2016 #3

Why do we need means-testing? JDPriestly Feb 2016 #4

I attend an East Coast private college, with tuition and fees running about 66K per year... anotherproletariat Feb 2016 #57

What has means testing got to do with it? mikehiggins Feb 2016 #69

private colleges aren't really the issue, are they? 0rganism Feb 2016 #116

If you can't fill out a FAFSA form then you probably shouldn't be in college in the first place. NobodyHere Feb 2016 #110

No Kalidurga Feb 2016 #27

No.... daleanime Feb 2016 #50

Gods no. The WORST part of modern day life is having to PROVE to the gov't or other people Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #101

It should be affordable. Very affordable. MADem Feb 2016 #5

I'm unsure. Should we seek to continue institutions that celebrate separating JDPriestly Feb 2016 #8

Should we continue with Historically Women's Colleges? Eliminate that option for them, too? MADem Feb 2016 #19

Frankly, I think people will still want to go to private colleges even if tuition JDPriestly Feb 2016 #32

What if what you think is wrong? MADem Feb 2016 #80

I have to return your question to you. What if what you think is wrong? JDPriestly Feb 2016 #81

We preserve culturally vital colleges and universities in my scenario. MADem Feb 2016 #82

How would free public college tuition eliminate Women's Colleges? senz Feb 2016 #49

Why pay to go to a midranked boutique college if you can get 2 years for free? MADem Feb 2016 #63

You need an MA today if you want to get anywhere. Either an MA or some JDPriestly Feb 2016 #71

No, you don't. You live in a rarified world if you think everyone needs an MA. nt MADem Feb 2016 #75

Even grade school teachers and business owners get MAs. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #83

I know a plumber who doesn't have an MA. He's rich as Roosevelt. nt MADem Feb 2016 #84

Plumbers and car mechanics are the two exceptions to my rule. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #108

Just those two? Not carpenters? Masons? MADem Feb 2016 #111

Cooks and chefs and landscapers, artists, musicians, electricians, dental assistants, medical JDPriestly Feb 2016 #117

Really? That's not my experience, and I've got relatives who do some of those jobs. MADem Feb 2016 #118

I'm not African-American, and I do not understand the argument for black colleges. onpatrol98 Feb 2016 #102

I would like to add that one of the reasons that I strongly support tuition-free JDPriestly Feb 2016 #16

Affordable college will help them, too. nt MADem Feb 2016 #22

Even if tuition is free, students will still have to pay for room and board. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #34

At a community college? I don't THINK so. You take the bus, you come home. MADem Feb 2016 #65

My daughter worked while in college on full scholarship and living at home. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #67

A lot of young people do not live within busing distance of a community college. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #72

MOST do, though. MADem Feb 2016 #74

Massachusetts is a particularly densely populated and liberal state. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #86

And how do these people buy groceries, meet their friends, or go to the gym? MADem Feb 2016 #88

My niece cannot afford the internet, and there is no bus service to her small town. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #89

Buy her a car. Or tell her to put up a rideshare plea on the college bulletin board. MADem Feb 2016 #91

73% of HBCU students attend public universities. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #51

What is this essay even SAYING? UGH~~! That because the percentage is "small" that these students MADem Feb 2016 #60

The percentage of private HBCU students is small relative to public+private HBCU students. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #62

The essay you cite sounds a bit like "Screw those black kids" to me. MADem Feb 2016 #64

I don't get that impression at all. But it doesn't matter what I think about tone(as I am not a PoC) JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #66

UGH. This isn't about NUMBERS. MADem Feb 2016 #70

The argument isn't that the numbers overall justify hurting HBCU JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #105

So, let's get rid of Harvard, the oldest college in our nation.... MADem Feb 2016 #107

Excellent post. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #73

I benefitted from virtually tuition free education at Cal in the 60's tularetom Feb 2016 #6

My college related expenses for 5 years LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #21

I Support a Democrat in the White House Stallion Feb 2016 #7

I support someone who aims high and will fight for his ideals that benefit the average citizen Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #9

Pessimism is its own reward. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #12

Its Called Math Stallion Feb 2016 #13

I'm sure they said that when the idea of free high school was introduced. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #18

46 Less than 60 Stallion Feb 2016 #44

I support a champion of Democratic values in the White House senz Feb 2016 #43

There is no downside to making public colleges and universities tuition free. LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #10

Not true! kennetha Feb 2016 #14

California had free state colleges in the 1950s & 60s. Worked just fine. senz Feb 2016 #47

My tuition as a graduate student was free Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #87

Sad that a few decades later, some who call themselves "Democrats" senz Feb 2016 #92

Absolutely Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #93

I think we need another option on your poll. Lucinda Feb 2016 #11

What other option would you suggest? JDPriestly Feb 2016 #26

I know the problems much better than the solutions. Lucinda Feb 2016 #36

You have some good ideas. From the poll, you can see that free tuition is JDPriestly Feb 2016 #40

We can also already wipe out the planet several times over, it seems to me that some of that Lucinda Feb 2016 #42

I would love HillDawg Feb 2016 #15

What would you suggest? That's why I asked for comments. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #25

It's already free for lower income students in California flamingdem Feb 2016 #17

Graduate students often get jobs teaching. They are not well or adequately paid, JDPriestly Feb 2016 #35

I did my masters in the UC system and didn't have a cent of debt flamingdem Feb 2016 #38

That tax covers it and educating the next generation nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #20

I think it's way more complicated than this mythology Feb 2016 #23

Rich kids get free education. Do you think that they value it less for that reason? JDPriestly Feb 2016 #37

I support free tuition and fees but Bernie's plan is a bunch of nonsense alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #24

What plan would you suggest that would work? JDPriestly Feb 2016 #29

Yes, I have applied for FAFSA and I pay monthly on my (very modest, admittedly) student loan alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #41

There is nothing "ridiculous" about 1960s California and present-day Europe. senz Feb 2016 #48

That may be true, but you will not get there following Bernie's plan alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #96

What is a speculative Wall Street trade? Yupster Feb 2016 #28

I think it is the fast trades. Probably not what you do with your IRA. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #31

You're right Yupster Feb 2016 #58

The idea is to impose a tiny tax on the many, many, many trades and I believe JDPriestly Feb 2016 #76

I would go a lot farther than this. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #30

State universities in Canada pay 2/3 of the cost of tuition. The applegrove Feb 2016 #33

That would be a start. Someone above also suggested that costs should be JDPriestly Feb 2016 #39

As long as workers retirement accounts and state pension funds are exempted from the tax geek tragedy Feb 2016 #45

How would this raise constitutional questions if it's already been done with no problem? senz Feb 2016 #53

Most of the FTT revenue studies exclude those types of funds. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #54

Yes. And a lot of the trades are there to hedge or to "make" the market appear JDPriestly Feb 2016 #77

With education all problems we have can be solved madokie Feb 2016 #46

Madokie, you see eye to eye with our nation's founders on this. senz Feb 2016 #59

Why not extend public education for all students beyond gr12 gwheezie Feb 2016 #52

Interesting ideas. Sort of reminds me of the European system. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #78

Well at least we now know who the Republicans in Democratic clothing around DU are... JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #55

And we know who doesn't understand a damn thing about the historical and cultural significance MADem Feb 2016 #61

This is how Bernie proposes to pay for free tuition on public colleges & universities. senz Feb 2016 #56

Thanks. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #79

HOW COULD DU OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT SUCH A TERRIBLE THING! mhatrw Feb 2016 #68

When I attended undergraduate school back in the late 70s to mid-80s, PatrickforO Feb 2016 #85

HEY PEOPLE, DeeBunker Feb 2016 #90

I support it (nt) bigwillq Feb 2016 #94

I'm a Bernie supporter but honestly am not crazy about this TheFarseer Feb 2016 #95

Not voting for this yet. But I have questions and concerns..... Adrahil Feb 2016 #97

"Free" is a word we need to stop using. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #98

Isn't the Sanders campaign the ones that keeps saying it's "free" ? n/t MichMan Feb 2016 #100

It is free to the student at the time of matriculation and attendance. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #114

Costs vary wildly MichMan Feb 2016 #99

The young are our future,educating them will more then pay for itself. libtodeath Feb 2016 #103

There are a lot of great private schoools besides HBCU MichMan Feb 2016 #104

The poll results speak for themselves. I am surprised, but the time for free tuition at JDPriestly Feb 2016 #109

How could ANY Democrat oppose the general concept? BillZBubb Feb 2016 #106

You need a special option for for college employees: "I support it but wait until after I retire." Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2016 #112

Our national gross income and GDP are very nearly rnk6670 Feb 2016 #113

I support mvd Feb 2016 #115