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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Poll: Where do you stand on free tuition to state colleges and universities [View all]JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)51. 73% of HBCU students attend public universities.
Jim Clyburn has criticized Sanders plan for free public college by saying it would be a disaster for private HBCUs (historically Black colleges and universities). This got me wondering: how big are private HBCUs? Specifically: what share of Black college students attend a private HBCU?
So, overall, HBCUs serve 8% of Black college students. Private HBCUs serve 2% of Black students. Overall 66% of Black students attend public colleges of one sort or another, and 75% of Black HBCU students attend a public HBCU.
Whats interesting about Clyburns take on this is that his argument is an argument against public school tuition subsidies in general. The point is that, when you subsidize public colleges, that puts private colleges at a competitive disadvantage. This will mean those colleges attract fewer students than if public college wasnt subsidized. This is true regardless of the level of subsidy. Subsidizing public college tuition by 10% gives them an edge over private colleges. So does subsidizing them by 50%, 80%, and (as Sanders proposes) 100%. The more you subsidize them, the bigger the competitive edge they have on price, but there is nothing magically different about going from the level of subsidy they have now to the level of subsidy Sanders proposes. Its a difference of degree not kind.
So that leaves you kind of scratching your head. Does Clyburn oppose all public school tuition subsidies on the (likely correct grounds) that they put private schools at a disadvantage (and thus private HBCUs at a disadvantage)? And if not, why not?
Source: http://mattbruenig.com/2016/02/21/how-many-black-students-go-to-private-hbcus/
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Poll: Where do you stand on free tuition to state colleges and universities [View all]
JDPriestly
Feb 2016
OP
I attend an East Coast private college, with tuition and fees running about 66K per year...
anotherproletariat
Feb 2016
#57
If you can't fill out a FAFSA form then you probably shouldn't be in college in the first place.
NobodyHere
Feb 2016
#110
Gods no. The WORST part of modern day life is having to PROVE to the gov't or other people
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Feb 2016
#101
I'm unsure. Should we seek to continue institutions that celebrate separating
JDPriestly
Feb 2016
#8
Should we continue with Historically Women's Colleges? Eliminate that option for them, too?
MADem
Feb 2016
#19
Frankly, I think people will still want to go to private colleges even if tuition
JDPriestly
Feb 2016
#32
No, you don't. You live in a rarified world if you think everyone needs an MA. nt
MADem
Feb 2016
#75
Cooks and chefs and landscapers, artists, musicians, electricians, dental assistants, medical
JDPriestly
Feb 2016
#117
Really? That's not my experience, and I've got relatives who do some of those jobs.
MADem
Feb 2016
#118
I'm not African-American, and I do not understand the argument for black colleges.
onpatrol98
Feb 2016
#102
I would like to add that one of the reasons that I strongly support tuition-free
JDPriestly
Feb 2016
#16
Even if tuition is free, students will still have to pay for room and board.
JDPriestly
Feb 2016
#34
A lot of young people do not live within busing distance of a community college.
JDPriestly
Feb 2016
#72
My niece cannot afford the internet, and there is no bus service to her small town.
JDPriestly
Feb 2016
#89
Buy her a car. Or tell her to put up a rideshare plea on the college bulletin board.
MADem
Feb 2016
#91
What is this essay even SAYING? UGH~~! That because the percentage is "small" that these students
MADem
Feb 2016
#60
The percentage of private HBCU students is small relative to public+private HBCU students.
JonLeibowitz
Feb 2016
#62
I don't get that impression at all. But it doesn't matter what I think about tone(as I am not a PoC)
JonLeibowitz
Feb 2016
#66
I support someone who aims high and will fight for his ideals that benefit the average citizen
Art_from_Ark
Feb 2016
#9
There is no downside to making public colleges and universities tuition free.
LibDemAlways
Feb 2016
#10
We can also already wipe out the planet several times over, it seems to me that some of that
Lucinda
Feb 2016
#42
Graduate students often get jobs teaching. They are not well or adequately paid,
JDPriestly
Feb 2016
#35
Rich kids get free education. Do you think that they value it less for that reason?
JDPriestly
Feb 2016
#37
I support free tuition and fees but Bernie's plan is a bunch of nonsense
alcibiades_mystery
Feb 2016
#24
Yes, I have applied for FAFSA and I pay monthly on my (very modest, admittedly) student loan
alcibiades_mystery
Feb 2016
#41
That may be true, but you will not get there following Bernie's plan
alcibiades_mystery
Feb 2016
#96
The idea is to impose a tiny tax on the many, many, many trades and I believe
JDPriestly
Feb 2016
#76
As long as workers retirement accounts and state pension funds are exempted from the tax
geek tragedy
Feb 2016
#45
How would this raise constitutional questions if it's already been done with no problem?
senz
Feb 2016
#53
Yes. And a lot of the trades are there to hedge or to "make" the market appear
JDPriestly
Feb 2016
#77
Well at least we now know who the Republicans in Democratic clothing around DU are...
JonLeibowitz
Feb 2016
#55
And we know who doesn't understand a damn thing about the historical and cultural significance
MADem
Feb 2016
#61
This is how Bernie proposes to pay for free tuition on public colleges & universities.
senz
Feb 2016
#56
The poll results speak for themselves. I am surprised, but the time for free tuition at
JDPriestly
Feb 2016
#109
You need a special option for for college employees: "I support it but wait until after I retire."
Gidney N Cloyd
Feb 2016
#112