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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Shame on anyone who finds this acceptable in a politician [View all]PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)73. It's a total non-issue.
http://zfacts.com/2016/02/clinton-speaking-fees/
Over the negative din of politics, it can be hard to hear whats positive. Hillary Clinton has given $17.6 million of her speaking fees to charity (see below). Thats 26 times as much as she made on her three Goldman Sachs speeches combined, or 50% more than she made on her 51 speeches in 2014 and 2015. Before presenting the details, let me summarize.
1) Her fees were not the least bit unusual given her stature.
2) Over 100 lesser known Americans are also in the $200,000+ category.
3) The Goldman Sachs fees were below her average fee.
4) She gave $17.6 million of her speaking fees to charity.
5) Charging Goldman Sachs less would have just meant more profits for them and less for charity.
There is simply no evidence, or logic, supporting the idea that she would sell out her whole career and deceive her huge base of supporters with a fake proposal to rein in Wall Street (a proposal that Elizabeth Warren supports). That she would do all this in return for three below-average fees from Goldman Sachs is beyond absurd.
Now take a quick look at a Talk at Golmand Sachs (GS), or at civil-rights-leader John Lewis talking with the CEO of GS, or the CEO of the NAACP or LGBT Professionals speaking at GS. Obviously GS hopes for good publicity and the speakers hope to influence GS. If youre looking for conspiracies, this is a very silly place to look for them.
Many seem to think the highest possible legitimate speaking fee couldnt be over $10,000, and anything higher must be a bribe. But looking at the list below, its obvious no one is bribing Charlie Rose, Lady Gaga or Larry the Cable Guy, or any of the other 120 people who get paid $200,000 or more per speech.
$50,000 Charlie Rose TV talk show host
$80,000 Malcolm Gladwell Author: Blink, and Outliers
$100,000+ Bill Maher Left commentator MSNBC
$150,000 Condilezza Rice Sect. of State, W. Bush
$200,000+ Jerry Seinfeld Comedian, actor, writer
$200,000+ Hillary Clinton Sect. of State, Obama
$200,000+ Lady Gaga Singer & empowerment speaker
$200,000+ Larry The Cable Guy Radio personality, comedian
$400,000 Ben Bernake Ex-Fed chairman, Bush, Obama
Some will skim this page, see it supports Hillary, and make unsupported accusations. But it is unfair to Hillary to let such false claims go unchallenged, and it is tearing the Democrats apart.
Goldman Sachs paid her $225k in 2013, about $10k less than her average in the list above, and the lowest fee paid in 2013.
It would be foolish to try to bribe someone with a slightly low-ball payment for services. And of course there is a far simpler explanation: She was just earning money by giving speeches. Money for her expenses (sure she lives, but she also works incredibly hard), for the campaign and for her Foundation. End of theory. Wed all love to win the lottery, and she won a decent sized lotterythe speaking-fee lottery. So she cashed in her winning ticket. Wouldnt we all?
Salons Ultimate Moralistic Nonsense
Salon ran an op-ed headlined Hillary Clintons artful smear. The op-ed, to its credit, never suggests any smear, artful or not, by Hillary. I suppose its now politically correct at Salon (which writes the headlines) to bash Clinton.
Also to the op-eds credit, it quotes Clinton: You will not find that I ever changed a view or a vote because of any donation I ever received, and notes, and there is no evidence to the contrary. Instead, this is the op-eds point:
Salon: It was not nice of Hillary to take that $675,000 from Goldman Sachs, because that is lost savings and lost homes for bilked investors.
Really? If shed spoken for free, GS would have donated that money to the investors they bilked? Does Salon think GS has turned into a sort of Big-Bucks Salvation Army?
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OK, time for Econ 1. Corporations are for profit. Give one $100, and their profit goes up by $100. They do two things with profits. Pay them to shareholders, and use them to make more profits. Thats call cap-it-al-ism. If Hillary charges less, their shareholders get richer.
The give it back crowd is being idiotic. If those with money to burn pay you too much and you give it back, they just burn it for something else. The best you can do is take as much money as possible from Goldman Sachs50 times more if you can get itand spend that money on something better than Goldman Sachs shareholders would. Duh.
Clinton spends the money three ways: for her own expenses (which are high partly because shes running for office), on her election campaign ($468,037), and on the Clinton Foundation, 89% of whose funding goes to charity (an excellent track record).
According to the Washington Post, Bill Clinton has contributed speaking fees to their foundation 73 times and Hillary Clinton 15 times. Hillarys contributions include one address to Goldman Sachs and another to JP Morgan Chase. In total, Hillary donated something over $17.6 million. Contrary to what you may have heard, their foundation is highly efficient with only 11% overhead, and has provided $2,000 million dollars to the poor and needy.
Their foundation projects include training African farmers to get access to seeds, equipment and markets for their crops, reforestation projects in Africa and the Caribbean, renewable energy projects in island nations, and work to lower the cost of HIV/AIDS medicine and scale up pediatric AIDS treatment. And heres a picture from Oakland (next door to me) from the Clinton Foundations Too Small to Fail project.
Over the negative din of politics, it can be hard to hear whats positive. Hillary Clinton has given $17.6 million of her speaking fees to charity (see below). Thats 26 times as much as she made on her three Goldman Sachs speeches combined, or 50% more than she made on her 51 speeches in 2014 and 2015. Before presenting the details, let me summarize.
1) Her fees were not the least bit unusual given her stature.
2) Over 100 lesser known Americans are also in the $200,000+ category.
3) The Goldman Sachs fees were below her average fee.
4) She gave $17.6 million of her speaking fees to charity.
5) Charging Goldman Sachs less would have just meant more profits for them and less for charity.
There is simply no evidence, or logic, supporting the idea that she would sell out her whole career and deceive her huge base of supporters with a fake proposal to rein in Wall Street (a proposal that Elizabeth Warren supports). That she would do all this in return for three below-average fees from Goldman Sachs is beyond absurd.
Now take a quick look at a Talk at Golmand Sachs (GS), or at civil-rights-leader John Lewis talking with the CEO of GS, or the CEO of the NAACP or LGBT Professionals speaking at GS. Obviously GS hopes for good publicity and the speakers hope to influence GS. If youre looking for conspiracies, this is a very silly place to look for them.
Many seem to think the highest possible legitimate speaking fee couldnt be over $10,000, and anything higher must be a bribe. But looking at the list below, its obvious no one is bribing Charlie Rose, Lady Gaga or Larry the Cable Guy, or any of the other 120 people who get paid $200,000 or more per speech.
$50,000 Charlie Rose TV talk show host
$80,000 Malcolm Gladwell Author: Blink, and Outliers
$100,000+ Bill Maher Left commentator MSNBC
$150,000 Condilezza Rice Sect. of State, W. Bush
$200,000+ Jerry Seinfeld Comedian, actor, writer
$200,000+ Hillary Clinton Sect. of State, Obama
$200,000+ Lady Gaga Singer & empowerment speaker
$200,000+ Larry The Cable Guy Radio personality, comedian
$400,000 Ben Bernake Ex-Fed chairman, Bush, Obama
Some will skim this page, see it supports Hillary, and make unsupported accusations. But it is unfair to Hillary to let such false claims go unchallenged, and it is tearing the Democrats apart.
Goldman Sachs paid her $225k in 2013, about $10k less than her average in the list above, and the lowest fee paid in 2013.
It would be foolish to try to bribe someone with a slightly low-ball payment for services. And of course there is a far simpler explanation: She was just earning money by giving speeches. Money for her expenses (sure she lives, but she also works incredibly hard), for the campaign and for her Foundation. End of theory. Wed all love to win the lottery, and she won a decent sized lotterythe speaking-fee lottery. So she cashed in her winning ticket. Wouldnt we all?
Salons Ultimate Moralistic Nonsense
Salon ran an op-ed headlined Hillary Clintons artful smear. The op-ed, to its credit, never suggests any smear, artful or not, by Hillary. I suppose its now politically correct at Salon (which writes the headlines) to bash Clinton.
Also to the op-eds credit, it quotes Clinton: You will not find that I ever changed a view or a vote because of any donation I ever received, and notes, and there is no evidence to the contrary. Instead, this is the op-eds point:
Salon: It was not nice of Hillary to take that $675,000 from Goldman Sachs, because that is lost savings and lost homes for bilked investors.
Really? If shed spoken for free, GS would have donated that money to the investors they bilked? Does Salon think GS has turned into a sort of Big-Bucks Salvation Army?
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OK, time for Econ 1. Corporations are for profit. Give one $100, and their profit goes up by $100. They do two things with profits. Pay them to shareholders, and use them to make more profits. Thats call cap-it-al-ism. If Hillary charges less, their shareholders get richer.
The give it back crowd is being idiotic. If those with money to burn pay you too much and you give it back, they just burn it for something else. The best you can do is take as much money as possible from Goldman Sachs50 times more if you can get itand spend that money on something better than Goldman Sachs shareholders would. Duh.
Clinton spends the money three ways: for her own expenses (which are high partly because shes running for office), on her election campaign ($468,037), and on the Clinton Foundation, 89% of whose funding goes to charity (an excellent track record).
According to the Washington Post, Bill Clinton has contributed speaking fees to their foundation 73 times and Hillary Clinton 15 times. Hillarys contributions include one address to Goldman Sachs and another to JP Morgan Chase. In total, Hillary donated something over $17.6 million. Contrary to what you may have heard, their foundation is highly efficient with only 11% overhead, and has provided $2,000 million dollars to the poor and needy.
Their foundation projects include training African farmers to get access to seeds, equipment and markets for their crops, reforestation projects in Africa and the Caribbean, renewable energy projects in island nations, and work to lower the cost of HIV/AIDS medicine and scale up pediatric AIDS treatment. And heres a picture from Oakland (next door to me) from the Clinton Foundations Too Small to Fail project.
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I think you are close. She's going to show him she was the better one all along.
thereismore
Mar 2016
#139
I agree with everything you said. And that's been true of a lot of these rich Feminists. They TALK
sabrina 1
Mar 2016
#268
DeGreg speaks for me. Hillary's foreign policy stances and corporate connections are all Republican
CoffeeCat
Mar 2016
#188
Ya know, I'd like to hear her speak also. But I can't afford the $225,000 cover charge...
Raster
Mar 2016
#49
Yeah, the Goldman Sachs Group and the Keystone Pipeline people can't get enough of what she says.
Hassin Bin Sober
Mar 2016
#81
I didn't understand why she was going all around the country up here speaking on
polly7
Mar 2016
#101
While you're getting out in front to defend her, she's picking your back pockets. n/t
ebayfool
Mar 2016
#197
If she wanted to make things better, she wouldn't be supporting fracking and calling the TPP the
Cavallo
Mar 2016
#248
You brought up Karl Rove...it often seems like he is running Hillary's campaign.
Punkingal
Mar 2016
#8
But she wants back into office in the worst way. Did you notice she's trying to be President? Not
Gene Debs
Mar 2016
#23
You really think that those donators did not think she would run for President.
bkkyosemite
Mar 2016
#35
Did you get those ideas from the, "I'm totally lost on what elected officials do for a living"?
MrMickeysMom
Mar 2016
#47
How much did they pay Jimmy Carter to speak while he was helping to build homes? n/t
jtuck004
Mar 2016
#138
But, but, Janey, this is an open forum and anything Hillary-neutral is strictly "verboten".
Surya Gayatri
Mar 2016
#10
Re the Foundation and some of the weapons being used to commit war crimes in Yemen.
polly7
Mar 2016
#126
you can read up on the foundation's good works here...https://www.clintonfoundation.org/
yawnmaster
Mar 2016
#119
thanks so she worked cheap for her son-in-laws employer-wonder what else she'll do for them
azurnoir
Mar 2016
#25
She amassed about $50 million dollars in 15 years. Her priorities aren't with the 99%. nm
rhett o rick
Mar 2016
#221
Not so good. I see the government in the hands of Big Money and some so-called Democrats
rhett o rick
Mar 2016
#229
It buys influence...she was for it and then against it and will be for it again.
bkkyosemite
Mar 2016
#38
She's not being paid to speak. She's doing the speaking for free. The money is for favors later on.
Gene Debs
Mar 2016
#27
Yeah ............ pretty much - and absolutely dispute she's one of the most respected. nt.
polly7
Mar 2016
#57
It's great that she did so well.. but she should now be barred from public service
basselope
Mar 2016
#16
Hillary Clinton will still win the Democratic nomination and be elected President.
George II
Mar 2016
#21
It would be fine if she was not going to run for the highest office in the world...not fine
bkkyosemite
Mar 2016
#64
Hum...there IS this. Have a look, unless it would clash with your mindset:
Surya Gayatri
Mar 2016
#82
She was not holding a public or appointed office at the time of these speeches. I see no issue here.
LonePirate
Mar 2016
#61
And you do not think they knew she was going to run for President when they
bkkyosemite
Mar 2016
#67
hmm...I don't see any unions, or teachers' organizations, or environmental groups on this list...
KansDem
Mar 2016
#68
Their foundation is highly efficient with only 11% overhead, and has provided $2,000 million dollars
PeaceNikki
Mar 2016
#84
Not some. 26 times as much as she made on her three Goldman Sachs speeches combined
PeaceNikki
Mar 2016
#91
The money comes with strings. Quid pro quo. Goldman-Sachs see it as an "investment
rhett o rick
Mar 2016
#212
I know, just look at all of the stuff Larry the Cable Guy and Gaga did for them in return.
PeaceNikki
Mar 2016
#215
Those that side with the Big Money feel glib that their candidate has the Big Money
rhett o rick
Mar 2016
#231
That list doesn't seem to show a lot of Hillary paying 'attention to African American concerns'
FailureToCommunicate
Mar 2016
#75
She knew she was going to run for president. To think otherwise isn't even realistic. nt.
polly7
Mar 2016
#86
Ed Schultz actually defended this yesterday even though he supports Bernie
BernieforPres2016
Mar 2016
#156
what could she possibly have to say in a "speech" that was worth a quarter million dollars an hour??
BREMPRO
Mar 2016
#162
"American Camping Association", "Let's Talk Entertainment", "Cardiovascular Research Foundation"
Yavin4
Mar 2016
#163
Absolutely! Then she'll be able to use the powers and perks of her elected office...
Raster
Mar 2016
#196
And of course all of these little "chats" were just chocked full of Hillarian anecdotes....
Raster
Mar 2016
#194
Kicked and recommended! This should receive hundreds of recommendations. nt
Enthusiast
Mar 2016
#203
It's possible that a way to give money to candidates is call it a fee for speaking. Just saying.
Cavallo
Mar 2016
#245
$250k per hour is fine for Hill and Bill. $600k per year is fine for Chelsea.
Skeeter Barnes
Mar 2016
#261