2016 Postmortem

PeaceNikki

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136. I know. The cult of personality "fan" or "foe" shit is divisive nonsense.

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 12:04 PM

Mar 2016

I am a Hillary supporter, not "fan". She's not Phish, she's a politician.

I don't think she's perfect. I understand she has vulnerabilities and I freely admit she makes gaffes. But I still support her. Not blindly. In fact, I do so with my eyes wide open. There are frankly very few (ok, one) politicians with whom I am in total or near agreement.

I support both of our candidates and will proudly vote for the nominee in November. But I am not a "fan" of either.

I am a fan of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. And the Violent Femmes (who have a new album out, by the way!)

And these speeches, like so much of what either does or says, are being totally blown out of ridiculous proportion.

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Shame on anyone who finds this acceptable in a politician [View all] tk2kewl Mar 2016 OP

Why does she even want the presidency? nt artislife Mar 2016 #1

Revenge on Bill. Avalux Mar 2016 #2

I have wondered senz Mar 2016 #48

I think you are close. She's going to show him she was the better one all along. thereismore Mar 2016 #139

I disagree. Carolina Mar 2016 #209

Bill was a genius, but I don't think how SHE is thereismore Mar 2016 #230

Exactly Carolina Mar 2016 #236

Marian Wright Edelman is supporting HRC. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #256

I agree with everything you said. And that's been true of a lot of these rich Feminists. They TALK sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #268

Indeed: she is a follower, not a leader. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #271

This is how I see her and her "illustrious" career. artislife Mar 2016 #274

POWER TRIP Plucketeer Mar 2016 #149

makes schmakes NJCher Mar 2016 #179

Power. EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #4

in a nutshell dana_b Mar 2016 #28

yes 840high Mar 2016 #250

Maybe to use her influence to make things better for Americans. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #18

Wow. The Kool-Aid must be practically running out of your ears by now. Gene Debs Mar 2016 #22

LOL! Plucketeer Mar 2016 #146

Is that the floating eyeballs phenomenon? Divernan Mar 2016 #214

And you honestly think that they will not want a thing in return...oh my bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #34

Hey! I wanted an "E" ticket on the fastest rides at WaltDisneyWorld... MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #42

You're trying to talk to people leftynyc Mar 2016 #44

It is being rich, it is using power in a corrupt way. artislife Mar 2016 #52

And where has Hillary used leftynyc Mar 2016 #74

Just the fact she isn't releasing her transcipts pinebox Mar 2016 #103

Why don't you open up your email to leftynyc Mar 2016 #151

Just own your damn politics regardless of party... DeGreg Mar 2016 #175

"Clinton is pretty much a Republican" SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #186

DeGreg speaks for me. Hillary's foreign policy stances and corporate connections are all Republican CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #188

Take a deep breath SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #190

I wasn't spinning a narrative. CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #199

bye SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #205

Does this mean I'm off your Christmas card list? CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #263

So, so well said. bjo59 Mar 2016 #257

Handful DeGreg Mar 2016 #265

Right On! BBG Mar 2016 #219

You don't get it, do you? Unknown Beatle Mar 2016 #216

Don't be stupid. 840high Mar 2016 #252

Gee...people donate and then their shit get done artislife Mar 2016 #116

Go ahead an post leftynyc Mar 2016 #152

I'm sure there are plenty of examples NJCher Mar 2016 #182

I think that transcription from audio might be about to go prime time! CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #277

Really I don't care what she did with the money All in it together Mar 2016 #266

LIE PATROL... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #78

Think being rich is a crime? liberalnarb Mar 2016 #164

No - I'm just not poor leftynyc Mar 2016 #174

Oh boo hoo liberalnarb Mar 2016 #177

Yawn leftynyc Mar 2016 #201

Wow. liberalnarb Mar 2016 #208

70% on everything beyond $500,000 ? bvar22 Mar 2016 #193

Make it 70% beyond $1 million leftynyc Mar 2016 #198

You do pay plenty of taxes because kacekwl Mar 2016 #218

Ya know, I'd like to hear her speak also. But I can't afford the $225,000 cover charge... Raster Mar 2016 #49

Much better than.. gerryatwork Mar 2016 #143

If Hillary Clinton is the nominee, I will support and vote for her. Raster Mar 2016 #144

Yeah, the Goldman Sachs Group and the Keystone Pipeline people can't get enough of what she says. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2016 #81

I didn't understand why she was going all around the country up here speaking on polly7 Mar 2016 #101

Doubt it. Hearts don't change. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2016 #134

WOW, I Actually NEVER Heard Anyone Say That Our Loud! ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #161

While you're getting out in front to defend her, she's picking your back pockets. n/t ebayfool Mar 2016 #197

Make things better? Carolina Mar 2016 #210

The speaking fees are pay in advance for influence. TheUndecider Mar 2016 #224

Holy crap! SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #246

If she wanted to make things better, she wouldn't be supporting fracking and calling the TPP the Cavallo Mar 2016 #248

Get real - Hillary does things for Hillary. 840high Mar 2016 #251

She could make the annual salary in one afternoon giving speeches BUT Mira Mar 2016 #26

Because she's Big Time tk2kewl Mar 2016 #37

Power and Ego. More seductive than money. senz Mar 2016 #40

simple, power Duckhunter935 Mar 2016 #63

POWER Orange Butterfly Mar 2016 #112

I think the Clintons were always about power BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #158

I think it is more related to her father. grasswire Mar 2016 #173

Big $$ groomed her to the position.... chknltl Mar 2016 #192

Raw ambition Carolina Mar 2016 #204

Money and power, just like every Republican Lorien Mar 2016 #223

Because, you'll be able to add a zero... scscholar Mar 2016 #253

Because it is her turn. Also a gender and 9/11. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #270

Mind-blowing amount of money ... Auggie Mar 2016 #3

This is something that every politician does when no longer in office. BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #5

"Everybody does it!" EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #6

You brought up Karl Rove...it often seems like he is running Hillary's campaign. Punkingal Mar 2016 #8

"When no longer in office" tk2kewl Mar 2016 #11

But she wants back into office in the worst way. Did you notice she's trying to be President? Not Gene Debs Mar 2016 #23

Sheesh. BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #89

Thank you BlueMTexpat. Your post is absolutely correct. Hillary haters asjr Mar 2016 #142

They will anyway. BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #153

Yes, let them believe if it gives them solace and cools their fevered brows. Fla Dem Mar 2016 #187

You really think that those donators did not think she would run for President. bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #35

Ah, the "Minority Report" theory. BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #69

Did you get those ideas from the, "I'm totally lost on what elected officials do for a living"? MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #47

How much did they pay Jimmy Carter to speak while he was helping to build homes? n/t jtuck004 Mar 2016 #138

Nice deflection. BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #150

Trouble is, Hillary is no longer a former politician... Herman4747 Mar 2016 #260

I'll just leave this here: JaneyVee Mar 2016 #7

But, but, Janey, this is an open forum and anything Hillary-neutral is strictly "verboten". Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #10

And that charity was the Clinton Foundation. Beowulf Mar 2016 #106

Oops, I guess that was forgotten. panader0 Mar 2016 #117

Re the Foundation and some of the weapons being used to commit war crimes in Yemen. polly7 Mar 2016 #126

Thanks polly7 panader0 Mar 2016 #137

You're welcome. polly7 Mar 2016 #165

you can read up on the foundation's good works here...https://www.clintonfoundation.org/ yawnmaster Mar 2016 #119

Ask the Haitians about the Foundation's good work. Beowulf Mar 2016 #183

Anyone have the link to Kim Jong Il's old web site? beedle Mar 2016 #185

It's kinda like Zuckerberg (or whatever his name is) truebluegreen Mar 2016 #160

From your link. randome Mar 2016 #14

thanks so she worked cheap for her son-in-laws employer-wonder what else she'll do for them azurnoir Mar 2016 #25

Thanks for the link, Janey! BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #96

Hillary's speaking fees are in line with male counterparts. hamsterjill Mar 2016 #189

All I'll say is..... seekthetruth Mar 2016 #206

She amassed about $50 million dollars in 15 years. Her priorities aren't with the 99%. nm rhett o rick Mar 2016 #221

Hey, buddy pintobean Mar 2016 #225

Not so good. I see the government in the hands of Big Money and some so-called Democrats rhett o rick Mar 2016 #229

Check out the payment on the Keystone XL speech. eom Frustratedlady Mar 2016 #9

there are multiple Keystone speeches worth $1,916,000 tk2kewl Mar 2016 #30

2 million dollars on the Keystone pipeline!!! Herman4747 Mar 2016 #53

I would bet money that she does. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #120

Goodness...two in one day! Raster Mar 2016 #54

another two on consecutive days tk2kewl Mar 2016 #56

Looks like she spent a lot of time telling them to "cut it out!" beerandjesus Mar 2016 #90

Good for her, it's awesome that ppl are willing to pay that much giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #12

It buys influence...she was for it and then against it and will be for it again. bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #38

Oh please. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #65

She will stop the liberal show and go right back to the centrist right... bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #88

Then she will round up all the liberals put them in FEMA Camps giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #135

WOW Carolina Mar 2016 #211

Oh yes, you BernieBros are soooooo much smarter than us. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #217

News Flash Carolina Mar 2016 #238

Awww, you go with that. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #239

I have absolutely no problem auntpurl Mar 2016 #13

She's not being paid to speak. She's doing the speaking for free. The money is for favors later on. Gene Debs Mar 2016 #27

I know no such thing. auntpurl Mar 2016 #32

You mean her platform du jour, don't you? denvine Mar 2016 #129

I mean the platform she has on her website. auntpurl Mar 2016 #131

In the world? polly7 Mar 2016 #50

You dispute that Hillary Clinton is world famous? auntpurl Mar 2016 #51

Yeah ............ pretty much - and absolutely dispute she's one of the most respected. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #57

So, Hillary Clinton, who was First Lady of the United States auntpurl Mar 2016 #62

World leaders know many people. polly7 Mar 2016 #71

Ok. nt auntpurl Mar 2016 #76

Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #15

It's great that she did so well.. but she should now be barred from public service basselope Mar 2016 #16

Absolutely! tk2kewl Mar 2016 #43

You know she doesn't owe them a thing, right? Octafish Mar 2016 #17

That's a lot of transcripts to release Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 #60

Dang, that's a lot of money. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #19

Flat Broke! SoapBox Mar 2016 #20

Hillary Clinton will still win the Democratic nomination and be elected President. George II Mar 2016 #21

And then we'll see what all that money bought. Gene Debs Mar 2016 #29

Yup. Shadowflash Mar 2016 #93

she might win the nomination however the rest is yet to be seen azurnoir Mar 2016 #31

"Our corrupt candidate will still win!" whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #97

Damn! I wish someone would pay me that much to speak. wyldwolf Mar 2016 #24

Exactly, damn haters. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #33

It would be fine if she was not going to run for the highest office in the world...not fine bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #64

Must be a damn good speech, she should share a speech that great. nt Coincidence Mar 2016 #100

Everything for a dollar, anything for a dollar; got it thx. DeGreg Mar 2016 #166

wife, kids, mortgage. Yup, you're welcome wyldwolf Mar 2016 #226

You just figure this out? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #36

imagine the money she'd get offered NOT to speak tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #39

i find it funny to demonize making money..... beachbum bob Mar 2016 #41

Bernie doesn't take money from the NRA tk2kewl Mar 2016 #46

Greed is a sin... WDIM Mar 2016 #70

K&R! Carolina Mar 2016 #240

A D- rating from the NRA is support? panader0 Mar 2016 #121

It's not "making money" that is the issue EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #124

Wow, wow, wow! DeGreg Mar 2016 #180

Did she manage to fit in any pro bono work? Volunteering? senz Mar 2016 #45

She gave millions of dollars from speaking fees to charity auntpurl Mar 2016 #66

To the Clinton Foundation, her power base. senz Mar 2016 #122

What charity? BeanMusical Mar 2016 #127

Hum...there IS this. Have a look, unless it would clash with your mindset: Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #82

Yup, funnels it into the Clinton Foundation, her power base and PR front. senz Mar 2016 #133

That level of Greed is disgusting... nt WDIM Mar 2016 #55

I understand some of these "speeches" xloadiex Mar 2016 #58

Ridiculous..... Sivart Mar 2016 #59

She was not holding a public or appointed office at the time of these speeches. I see no issue here. LonePirate Mar 2016 #61

And you do not think they knew she was going to run for President when they bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #67

They offered/she charged certain fees and reached a mutual agreement. LonePirate Mar 2016 #77

an ethical person would disqualify themselves from holding office again tk2kewl Mar 2016 #72

That's ridiculous. An ethical person would not give special favors. LonePirate Mar 2016 #92

to claim that this is akin to "a job" is a little silly tk2kewl Mar 2016 #99

She performed a repeated task on a contractual basis. That's a job. LonePirate Mar 2016 #108

hmm...I don't see any unions, or teachers' organizations, or environmental groups on this list... KansDem Mar 2016 #68

It's a total non-issue. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #73

if you say so tk2kewl Mar 2016 #83

Their foundation is highly efficient with only 11% overhead, and has provided $2,000 million dollars PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #84

Not some. 26 times as much as she made on her three Goldman Sachs speeches combined PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #91

Beautiful vdogg Mar 2016 #128

I know. The cult of personality "fan" or "foe" shit is divisive nonsense. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #136

The money comes with strings. Quid pro quo. Goldman-Sachs see it as an "investment rhett o rick Mar 2016 #212

I know, just look at all of the stuff Larry the Cable Guy and Gaga did for them in return. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #215

Those that side with the Big Money feel glib that their candidate has the Big Money rhett o rick Mar 2016 #231

That list doesn't seem to show a lot of Hillary paying 'attention to African American concerns' FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #75

see above PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #79

Shame on anyone who finds this acceptable in a politician? SFnomad Mar 2016 #80

She is now... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #85

Re: I can change the OP title ... SFnomad Mar 2016 #87

shame on you for finding it acceptable... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #95

Shame on you SFnomad Mar 2016 #102

I didn't say "otherwise" tk2kewl Mar 2016 #111

You don't think she's been playing the long game? truebluegreen Mar 2016 #232

You'd think it was a right wingnut website around here SFnomad Mar 2016 #237

I dunno, because he isn't? truebluegreen Mar 2016 #241

Don't put word in your mouth? SFnomad Mar 2016 #244

Um, no. truebluegreen Mar 2016 #259

Lol billhicks76 Mar 2016 #272

She knew she was going to run for president. To think otherwise isn't even realistic. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #86

Re: She knew she was going to run for president. SFnomad Mar 2016 #94

Taking millions from corporations that are killing the planet and destroying polly7 Mar 2016 #104

So now you're accusing a quid pro quo SFnomad Mar 2016 #109

Well, just basic common sense. polly7 Mar 2016 #110

So the answer is ... SFnomad Mar 2016 #115

The evidence is in the OP. polly7 Mar 2016 #118

In addition - FlaGranny Mar 2016 #276

$21million in investments to buy a major collaborator. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #98

Transcripts? We don't need no steenking transcripts tularetom Mar 2016 #105

WOW! Carolina Mar 2016 #243

The new Hillary theme song! pinebox Mar 2016 #107

i like Peter Gabriel's Big Time for her tk2kewl Mar 2016 #113

More like Games without Frontiers...... by Peter Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 #145

Question to those Bernin'.... HillareeeHillaraah Mar 2016 #114

same way he's been funded so far Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #130

To the extent that .... HillareeeHillaraah Mar 2016 #141

So.... He'll top out at a tiny fraction of what the GOP will raise? Orrex Mar 2016 #157

it is, quite frankly, disgusting Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #123

and she's really not that good of a speaker... Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #125

We'd be outraged if it was Bush II. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #132

Indeed! Shame! Nt Duppers Mar 2016 #140

K N R-ed Faux pas Mar 2016 #147

Wow! Good for her! She deserves it! It doesn't bother me a whit! NurseJackie Mar 2016 #148

Website sucks for Android phone SHRED Mar 2016 #154

the table i posted on DU lays out ok on the phone though, right? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #155

Ed Schultz actually defended this yesterday even though he supports Bernie BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #156

So greedy and corrupt. AzDar Mar 2016 #159

what could she possibly have to say in a "speech" that was worth a quarter million dollars an hour?? BREMPRO Mar 2016 #162

"American Camping Association", "Let's Talk Entertainment", "Cardiovascular Research Foundation" Yavin4 Mar 2016 #163

It would take a very stupid person to limit their speechmaking to only those polly7 Mar 2016 #167

~$2 Million from Keystone XL companies tk2kewl Mar 2016 #168

What will Keystone say if she doesn't do the pipeline? Yavin4 Mar 2016 #171

i'm sure she can find a way to make it up to them tk2kewl Mar 2016 #172

Or not. What incentive does she have? Yavin4 Mar 2016 #181

Absolutely! Then she'll be able to use the powers and perks of her elected office... Raster Mar 2016 #196

What would make you think she wouldn't do it? Cavallo Mar 2016 #249

She makes more on one speech than the president makes in a year.. mountain grammy Mar 2016 #169

totally bought out.... kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #170

What then is the specific rate that should be charged? LanternWaste Mar 2016 #176

Agree. Unfortunately, that shame will spread over a wide swath of . . . DrBulldog Mar 2016 #178

Recommend. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #184

Did she give the Keystone Pipeline folks a refund? nt mhatrw Mar 2016 #191

And of course all of these little "chats" were just chocked full of Hillarian anecdotes.... Raster Mar 2016 #194

I would turn down a second presidential term and go back on the circuit. oasis Mar 2016 #195

Kick warrprayer Mar 2016 #200

K&R Carolina Mar 2016 #202

Kicked and recommended! This should receive hundreds of recommendations. nt Enthusiast Mar 2016 #203

Resume... timlot Mar 2016 #207

Shame On Me JGug1 Mar 2016 #213

There's a great Bernie ad in here somewhere TheRickles Mar 2016 #220

She's a Republican, plain and simple Lorien Mar 2016 #222

Hillary serves BIG BANKS and CORPORATIONS not US. YourAMIGO Mar 2016 #227

She's been a busy girl! leftcoastmountains Mar 2016 #228

access! Tragl1 Mar 2016 #233

Great post Carolina Mar 2016 #247

Thanks Tragl1 Mar 2016 #254

.+10 840high Mar 2016 #255

right on the money! tk2kewl Mar 2016 #262

I almost feel sorry for her. (Not quite.) SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #234

The corporate gravy train is the old status quo felix_numinous Mar 2016 #235

It's a SHONDA!!!! highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #242

It's possible that a way to give money to candidates is call it a fee for speaking. Just saying. Cavallo Mar 2016 #245

She's a corporate spokeswoman. ozone_man Mar 2016 #258

$250k per hour is fine for Hill and Bill. $600k per year is fine for Chelsea. Skeeter Barnes Mar 2016 #261

Shhh. . .this makes HRC people feel hurt. You will be alerted. Feeling the Bern Mar 2016 #264

It's disgusting and amazing how over-the-top these bribes are! SciDude Mar 2016 #267

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #269

Apparently reprimanding people pays well. nt raouldukelives Mar 2016 #273

Speaking fees are nearly a non-issue bhikkhu Mar 2016 #275