2016 Postmortem

truebluegreen

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259. Um, no.

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:13 PM

Mar 2016

She could be running for President to prove she's just as good/competent/consequential as Bill. She could be running for President to prove something about women. She could be running for President because she wants to do Great Things for People. She could be running for President because she's power hungry. She could even be running for President because it makes her happy to live in the White House and ride on Air Force One (seems to have been Dimson's principal motivation but who knows).

I said she has been running for years; what her motivation is I have no idea. Neither do you. And I find it astonishing that you don't see the difference between starting off as mayor of a relatively small town in a backwater state as opposed to STARTING OUT running to be one of 100 Senators in a country of 300,000,000 people, and from New York State no less. Yeah, totally the same.

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Shame on anyone who finds this acceptable in a politician [View all] tk2kewl Mar 2016 OP

Why does she even want the presidency? nt artislife Mar 2016 #1

Revenge on Bill. Avalux Mar 2016 #2

I have wondered senz Mar 2016 #48

I think you are close. She's going to show him she was the better one all along. thereismore Mar 2016 #139

I disagree. Carolina Mar 2016 #209

Bill was a genius, but I don't think how SHE is thereismore Mar 2016 #230

Exactly Carolina Mar 2016 #236

Marian Wright Edelman is supporting HRC. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #256

I agree with everything you said. And that's been true of a lot of these rich Feminists. They TALK sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #268

Indeed: she is a follower, not a leader. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #271

This is how I see her and her "illustrious" career. artislife Mar 2016 #274

POWER TRIP Plucketeer Mar 2016 #149

makes schmakes NJCher Mar 2016 #179

Power. EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #4

in a nutshell dana_b Mar 2016 #28

yes 840high Mar 2016 #250

Maybe to use her influence to make things better for Americans. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #18

Wow. The Kool-Aid must be practically running out of your ears by now. Gene Debs Mar 2016 #22

LOL! Plucketeer Mar 2016 #146

Is that the floating eyeballs phenomenon? Divernan Mar 2016 #214

And you honestly think that they will not want a thing in return...oh my bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #34

Hey! I wanted an "E" ticket on the fastest rides at WaltDisneyWorld... MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #42

You're trying to talk to people leftynyc Mar 2016 #44

It is being rich, it is using power in a corrupt way. artislife Mar 2016 #52

And where has Hillary used leftynyc Mar 2016 #74

Just the fact she isn't releasing her transcipts pinebox Mar 2016 #103

Why don't you open up your email to leftynyc Mar 2016 #151

Just own your damn politics regardless of party... DeGreg Mar 2016 #175

"Clinton is pretty much a Republican" SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #186

DeGreg speaks for me. Hillary's foreign policy stances and corporate connections are all Republican CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #188

Take a deep breath SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #190

I wasn't spinning a narrative. CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #199

bye SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #205

Does this mean I'm off your Christmas card list? CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #263

So, so well said. bjo59 Mar 2016 #257

Handful DeGreg Mar 2016 #265

Right On! BBG Mar 2016 #219

You don't get it, do you? Unknown Beatle Mar 2016 #216

Don't be stupid. 840high Mar 2016 #252

Gee...people donate and then their shit get done artislife Mar 2016 #116

Go ahead an post leftynyc Mar 2016 #152

I'm sure there are plenty of examples NJCher Mar 2016 #182

I think that transcription from audio might be about to go prime time! CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #277

Really I don't care what she did with the money All in it together Mar 2016 #266

LIE PATROL... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #78

Think being rich is a crime? liberalnarb Mar 2016 #164

No - I'm just not poor leftynyc Mar 2016 #174

Oh boo hoo liberalnarb Mar 2016 #177

Yawn leftynyc Mar 2016 #201

Wow. liberalnarb Mar 2016 #208

70% on everything beyond $500,000 ? bvar22 Mar 2016 #193

Make it 70% beyond $1 million leftynyc Mar 2016 #198

You do pay plenty of taxes because kacekwl Mar 2016 #218

Ya know, I'd like to hear her speak also. But I can't afford the $225,000 cover charge... Raster Mar 2016 #49

Much better than.. gerryatwork Mar 2016 #143

If Hillary Clinton is the nominee, I will support and vote for her. Raster Mar 2016 #144

Yeah, the Goldman Sachs Group and the Keystone Pipeline people can't get enough of what she says. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2016 #81

I didn't understand why she was going all around the country up here speaking on polly7 Mar 2016 #101

Doubt it. Hearts don't change. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2016 #134

WOW, I Actually NEVER Heard Anyone Say That Our Loud! ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #161

While you're getting out in front to defend her, she's picking your back pockets. n/t ebayfool Mar 2016 #197

Make things better? Carolina Mar 2016 #210

The speaking fees are pay in advance for influence. TheUndecider Mar 2016 #224

Holy crap! SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #246

If she wanted to make things better, she wouldn't be supporting fracking and calling the TPP the Cavallo Mar 2016 #248

Get real - Hillary does things for Hillary. 840high Mar 2016 #251

She could make the annual salary in one afternoon giving speeches BUT Mira Mar 2016 #26

Because she's Big Time tk2kewl Mar 2016 #37

Power and Ego. More seductive than money. senz Mar 2016 #40

simple, power Duckhunter935 Mar 2016 #63

POWER Orange Butterfly Mar 2016 #112

I think the Clintons were always about power BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #158

I think it is more related to her father. grasswire Mar 2016 #173

Big $$ groomed her to the position.... chknltl Mar 2016 #192

Raw ambition Carolina Mar 2016 #204

Money and power, just like every Republican Lorien Mar 2016 #223

Because, you'll be able to add a zero... scscholar Mar 2016 #253

Because it is her turn. Also a gender and 9/11. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #270

Mind-blowing amount of money ... Auggie Mar 2016 #3

This is something that every politician does when no longer in office. BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #5

"Everybody does it!" EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #6

You brought up Karl Rove...it often seems like he is running Hillary's campaign. Punkingal Mar 2016 #8

"When no longer in office" tk2kewl Mar 2016 #11

But she wants back into office in the worst way. Did you notice she's trying to be President? Not Gene Debs Mar 2016 #23

Sheesh. BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #89

Thank you BlueMTexpat. Your post is absolutely correct. Hillary haters asjr Mar 2016 #142

They will anyway. BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #153

Yes, let them believe if it gives them solace and cools their fevered brows. Fla Dem Mar 2016 #187

You really think that those donators did not think she would run for President. bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #35

Ah, the "Minority Report" theory. BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #69

Did you get those ideas from the, "I'm totally lost on what elected officials do for a living"? MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #47

How much did they pay Jimmy Carter to speak while he was helping to build homes? n/t jtuck004 Mar 2016 #138

Nice deflection. BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #150

Trouble is, Hillary is no longer a former politician... Herman4747 Mar 2016 #260

I'll just leave this here: JaneyVee Mar 2016 #7

But, but, Janey, this is an open forum and anything Hillary-neutral is strictly "verboten". Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #10

And that charity was the Clinton Foundation. Beowulf Mar 2016 #106

Oops, I guess that was forgotten. panader0 Mar 2016 #117

Re the Foundation and some of the weapons being used to commit war crimes in Yemen. polly7 Mar 2016 #126

Thanks polly7 panader0 Mar 2016 #137

You're welcome. polly7 Mar 2016 #165

you can read up on the foundation's good works here...https://www.clintonfoundation.org/ yawnmaster Mar 2016 #119

Ask the Haitians about the Foundation's good work. Beowulf Mar 2016 #183

Anyone have the link to Kim Jong Il's old web site? beedle Mar 2016 #185

It's kinda like Zuckerberg (or whatever his name is) truebluegreen Mar 2016 #160

From your link. randome Mar 2016 #14

thanks so she worked cheap for her son-in-laws employer-wonder what else she'll do for them azurnoir Mar 2016 #25

Thanks for the link, Janey! BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #96

Hillary's speaking fees are in line with male counterparts. hamsterjill Mar 2016 #189

All I'll say is..... seekthetruth Mar 2016 #206

She amassed about $50 million dollars in 15 years. Her priorities aren't with the 99%. nm rhett o rick Mar 2016 #221

Hey, buddy pintobean Mar 2016 #225

Not so good. I see the government in the hands of Big Money and some so-called Democrats rhett o rick Mar 2016 #229

Check out the payment on the Keystone XL speech. eom Frustratedlady Mar 2016 #9

there are multiple Keystone speeches worth $1,916,000 tk2kewl Mar 2016 #30

2 million dollars on the Keystone pipeline!!! Herman4747 Mar 2016 #53

I would bet money that she does. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #120

Goodness...two in one day! Raster Mar 2016 #54

another two on consecutive days tk2kewl Mar 2016 #56

Looks like she spent a lot of time telling them to "cut it out!" beerandjesus Mar 2016 #90

Good for her, it's awesome that ppl are willing to pay that much giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #12

It buys influence...she was for it and then against it and will be for it again. bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #38

Oh please. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #65

She will stop the liberal show and go right back to the centrist right... bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #88

Then she will round up all the liberals put them in FEMA Camps giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #135

WOW Carolina Mar 2016 #211

Oh yes, you BernieBros are soooooo much smarter than us. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #217

News Flash Carolina Mar 2016 #238

Awww, you go with that. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #239

I have absolutely no problem auntpurl Mar 2016 #13

She's not being paid to speak. She's doing the speaking for free. The money is for favors later on. Gene Debs Mar 2016 #27

I know no such thing. auntpurl Mar 2016 #32

You mean her platform du jour, don't you? denvine Mar 2016 #129

I mean the platform she has on her website. auntpurl Mar 2016 #131

In the world? polly7 Mar 2016 #50

You dispute that Hillary Clinton is world famous? auntpurl Mar 2016 #51

Yeah ............ pretty much - and absolutely dispute she's one of the most respected. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #57

So, Hillary Clinton, who was First Lady of the United States auntpurl Mar 2016 #62

World leaders know many people. polly7 Mar 2016 #71

Ok. nt auntpurl Mar 2016 #76

Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #15

It's great that she did so well.. but she should now be barred from public service basselope Mar 2016 #16

Absolutely! tk2kewl Mar 2016 #43

You know she doesn't owe them a thing, right? Octafish Mar 2016 #17

That's a lot of transcripts to release Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 #60

Dang, that's a lot of money. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #19

Flat Broke! SoapBox Mar 2016 #20

Hillary Clinton will still win the Democratic nomination and be elected President. George II Mar 2016 #21

And then we'll see what all that money bought. Gene Debs Mar 2016 #29

Yup. Shadowflash Mar 2016 #93

she might win the nomination however the rest is yet to be seen azurnoir Mar 2016 #31

"Our corrupt candidate will still win!" whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #97

Damn! I wish someone would pay me that much to speak. wyldwolf Mar 2016 #24

Exactly, damn haters. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #33

It would be fine if she was not going to run for the highest office in the world...not fine bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #64

Must be a damn good speech, she should share a speech that great. nt Coincidence Mar 2016 #100

Everything for a dollar, anything for a dollar; got it thx. DeGreg Mar 2016 #166

wife, kids, mortgage. Yup, you're welcome wyldwolf Mar 2016 #226

You just figure this out? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #36

imagine the money she'd get offered NOT to speak tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #39

i find it funny to demonize making money..... beachbum bob Mar 2016 #41

Bernie doesn't take money from the NRA tk2kewl Mar 2016 #46

Greed is a sin... WDIM Mar 2016 #70

K&R! Carolina Mar 2016 #240

A D- rating from the NRA is support? panader0 Mar 2016 #121

It's not "making money" that is the issue EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #124

Wow, wow, wow! DeGreg Mar 2016 #180

Did she manage to fit in any pro bono work? Volunteering? senz Mar 2016 #45

She gave millions of dollars from speaking fees to charity auntpurl Mar 2016 #66

To the Clinton Foundation, her power base. senz Mar 2016 #122

What charity? BeanMusical Mar 2016 #127

Hum...there IS this. Have a look, unless it would clash with your mindset: Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #82

Yup, funnels it into the Clinton Foundation, her power base and PR front. senz Mar 2016 #133

That level of Greed is disgusting... nt WDIM Mar 2016 #55

I understand some of these "speeches" xloadiex Mar 2016 #58

Ridiculous..... Sivart Mar 2016 #59

She was not holding a public or appointed office at the time of these speeches. I see no issue here. LonePirate Mar 2016 #61

And you do not think they knew she was going to run for President when they bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #67

They offered/she charged certain fees and reached a mutual agreement. LonePirate Mar 2016 #77

an ethical person would disqualify themselves from holding office again tk2kewl Mar 2016 #72

That's ridiculous. An ethical person would not give special favors. LonePirate Mar 2016 #92

to claim that this is akin to "a job" is a little silly tk2kewl Mar 2016 #99

She performed a repeated task on a contractual basis. That's a job. LonePirate Mar 2016 #108

hmm...I don't see any unions, or teachers' organizations, or environmental groups on this list... KansDem Mar 2016 #68

It's a total non-issue. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #73

if you say so tk2kewl Mar 2016 #83

Their foundation is highly efficient with only 11% overhead, and has provided $2,000 million dollars PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #84

Not some. 26 times as much as she made on her three Goldman Sachs speeches combined PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #91

Beautiful vdogg Mar 2016 #128

I know. The cult of personality "fan" or "foe" shit is divisive nonsense. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #136

The money comes with strings. Quid pro quo. Goldman-Sachs see it as an "investment rhett o rick Mar 2016 #212

I know, just look at all of the stuff Larry the Cable Guy and Gaga did for them in return. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #215

Those that side with the Big Money feel glib that their candidate has the Big Money rhett o rick Mar 2016 #231

That list doesn't seem to show a lot of Hillary paying 'attention to African American concerns' FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #75

see above PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #79

Shame on anyone who finds this acceptable in a politician? SFnomad Mar 2016 #80

She is now... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #85

Re: I can change the OP title ... SFnomad Mar 2016 #87

shame on you for finding it acceptable... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #95

Shame on you SFnomad Mar 2016 #102

I didn't say "otherwise" tk2kewl Mar 2016 #111

You don't think she's been playing the long game? truebluegreen Mar 2016 #232

You'd think it was a right wingnut website around here SFnomad Mar 2016 #237

I dunno, because he isn't? truebluegreen Mar 2016 #241

Don't put word in your mouth? SFnomad Mar 2016 #244

Um, no. truebluegreen Mar 2016 #259

Lol billhicks76 Mar 2016 #272

She knew she was going to run for president. To think otherwise isn't even realistic. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #86

Re: She knew she was going to run for president. SFnomad Mar 2016 #94

Taking millions from corporations that are killing the planet and destroying polly7 Mar 2016 #104

So now you're accusing a quid pro quo SFnomad Mar 2016 #109

Well, just basic common sense. polly7 Mar 2016 #110

So the answer is ... SFnomad Mar 2016 #115

The evidence is in the OP. polly7 Mar 2016 #118

In addition - FlaGranny Mar 2016 #276

$21million in investments to buy a major collaborator. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #98

Transcripts? We don't need no steenking transcripts tularetom Mar 2016 #105

WOW! Carolina Mar 2016 #243

The new Hillary theme song! pinebox Mar 2016 #107

i like Peter Gabriel's Big Time for her tk2kewl Mar 2016 #113

More like Games without Frontiers...... by Peter Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 #145

Question to those Bernin'.... HillareeeHillaraah Mar 2016 #114

same way he's been funded so far Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #130

To the extent that .... HillareeeHillaraah Mar 2016 #141

So.... He'll top out at a tiny fraction of what the GOP will raise? Orrex Mar 2016 #157

it is, quite frankly, disgusting Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #123

and she's really not that good of a speaker... Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #125

We'd be outraged if it was Bush II. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #132

Indeed! Shame! Nt Duppers Mar 2016 #140

K N R-ed Faux pas Mar 2016 #147

Wow! Good for her! She deserves it! It doesn't bother me a whit! NurseJackie Mar 2016 #148

Website sucks for Android phone SHRED Mar 2016 #154

the table i posted on DU lays out ok on the phone though, right? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #155

Ed Schultz actually defended this yesterday even though he supports Bernie BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #156

So greedy and corrupt. AzDar Mar 2016 #159

what could she possibly have to say in a "speech" that was worth a quarter million dollars an hour?? BREMPRO Mar 2016 #162

"American Camping Association", "Let's Talk Entertainment", "Cardiovascular Research Foundation" Yavin4 Mar 2016 #163

It would take a very stupid person to limit their speechmaking to only those polly7 Mar 2016 #167

~$2 Million from Keystone XL companies tk2kewl Mar 2016 #168

What will Keystone say if she doesn't do the pipeline? Yavin4 Mar 2016 #171

i'm sure she can find a way to make it up to them tk2kewl Mar 2016 #172

Or not. What incentive does she have? Yavin4 Mar 2016 #181

Absolutely! Then she'll be able to use the powers and perks of her elected office... Raster Mar 2016 #196

What would make you think she wouldn't do it? Cavallo Mar 2016 #249

She makes more on one speech than the president makes in a year.. mountain grammy Mar 2016 #169

totally bought out.... kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #170

What then is the specific rate that should be charged? LanternWaste Mar 2016 #176

Agree. Unfortunately, that shame will spread over a wide swath of . . . DrBulldog Mar 2016 #178

Recommend. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #184

Did she give the Keystone Pipeline folks a refund? nt mhatrw Mar 2016 #191

And of course all of these little "chats" were just chocked full of Hillarian anecdotes.... Raster Mar 2016 #194

I would turn down a second presidential term and go back on the circuit. oasis Mar 2016 #195

Kick warrprayer Mar 2016 #200

K&R Carolina Mar 2016 #202

Kicked and recommended! This should receive hundreds of recommendations. nt Enthusiast Mar 2016 #203

Resume... timlot Mar 2016 #207

Shame On Me JGug1 Mar 2016 #213

There's a great Bernie ad in here somewhere TheRickles Mar 2016 #220

She's a Republican, plain and simple Lorien Mar 2016 #222

Hillary serves BIG BANKS and CORPORATIONS not US. YourAMIGO Mar 2016 #227

She's been a busy girl! leftcoastmountains Mar 2016 #228

access! Tragl1 Mar 2016 #233

Great post Carolina Mar 2016 #247

Thanks Tragl1 Mar 2016 #254

.+10 840high Mar 2016 #255

right on the money! tk2kewl Mar 2016 #262

I almost feel sorry for her. (Not quite.) SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #234

The corporate gravy train is the old status quo felix_numinous Mar 2016 #235

It's a SHONDA!!!! highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #242

It's possible that a way to give money to candidates is call it a fee for speaking. Just saying. Cavallo Mar 2016 #245

She's a corporate spokeswoman. ozone_man Mar 2016 #258

$250k per hour is fine for Hill and Bill. $600k per year is fine for Chelsea. Skeeter Barnes Mar 2016 #261

Shhh. . .this makes HRC people feel hurt. You will be alerted. Feeling the Bern Mar 2016 #264

It's disgusting and amazing how over-the-top these bribes are! SciDude Mar 2016 #267

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #269

Apparently reprimanding people pays well. nt raouldukelives Mar 2016 #273

Speaking fees are nearly a non-issue bhikkhu Mar 2016 #275