2016 Postmortem

alarimer

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129. Because the Donald is saying things that the Democratic Party ignores at their peril.

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:06 AM

Mar 2016

Those people have REAL grievances. You assume they are all racists or that racism is the driving motivation to vote for Trump. It may or may not be. And Trump may not in fact give them what they want, but he is raising issues that Hillary had better not ignore.

The job losses due to trade agreements are a real thing. The issues facing a fading middle class will not be papered over with neo-liberal bullshit. Both Sanders and Trump have tapped into something that the Republican and Democratic Parties had better not ignore. The Republican chickens are coming home to roost and I for one could not be happier about that. I wish I could believe that the Democrats will start taking the concerns of these people seriously, but I fear they won't. I wish I could believe that Hillary really means what she says, but I fear it is just talk.

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HIGHLY CONTROVERSIAL: The Bernie Sanders voters who would choose Trump over Clinton [View all] BigBearJohn Mar 2016 OP

That is just stupid. bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #1

Not If Citizens Are Fed Up With The Clintons cantbeserious Mar 2016 #2

I don't care how much anyone is "fed up with the Clintons" Adrahil Mar 2016 #58

Yup. Agschmid Mar 2016 #62

Your Opinion Only - Others See The World Much, Much Differently cantbeserious Mar 2016 #70

Then they are idiots and do not belong here. Disgusting. #Trumphumping NT Adrahil Mar 2016 #73

It is not the people here who will make the difference... Human101948 Mar 2016 #80

You are exactly right. Shadowflash Mar 2016 #141

No one is Trumphumping Politicalboi Mar 2016 #158

Are you actually rationalizing if not quietly endorsing these people? Your posts reads that way. LonePirate Mar 2016 #88

They will no longer settle for the lesser of two evils BeyondGeography Mar 2016 #104

We've been here before and we know WhiteTara Mar 2016 #127

We already had a Clinton in the WH Politicalboi Mar 2016 #159

I agree. But voting for Trump is like voting for Bush again. Now that's insanity brush Mar 2016 #213

Nah, voting for Trump is idiotic. brush Mar 2016 #112

Totally agree. redwitch Mar 2016 #167

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #201

Huh? Trump has already said he'd bomb the shit out of them. brush Mar 2016 #205

Yes, they do, or you do? do you prefer Trump over Clinton because you dont care Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #202

An electorate that put Bush Junior in the White House TWICE IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #108

Some feel the same about Clinton revbones Mar 2016 #143

Neither can voting for murderers like HRC Nickel79 Mar 2016 #192

Trump is stupid RobertEarl Mar 2016 #3

think blue collar white guy tk2kewl Mar 2016 #4

Correct. 840high Mar 2016 #17

No, it is not Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #206

In some ways Trump and Bernie are alike. It would follow that they both attract similar voters. upaloopa Mar 2016 #5

Most of the folks I know who are for Trump griffi94 Mar 2016 #11

So far I haven't wanted to ask my relatives who they support. My guess is that it is Trump. upaloopa Mar 2016 #15

"Herd mentality" describes Hillary supporters 100% revbones Mar 2016 #18

Yeah there's some of that griffi94 Mar 2016 #20

Yep. Pull yourself up by the bootstraps. Armstead Mar 2016 #76

You're insulting a very large group of people. Why are you doing this? DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #116

What group is that. griffi94 Mar 2016 #149

Unlike Hillary supporters k8conant Mar 2016 #166

Rand Paul, Ron Paul, Libertarians. Never felt they had any allegiance to the Democratic Party. nt Fla Dem Mar 2016 #148

Most of the Trump supporters I know griffi94 Mar 2016 #153

Are you kidding! burrowowl Mar 2016 #27

In many ways, Hillary is more conservative than the republicans Nickel79 Mar 2016 #135

Hillary has won the red states primarily because of the African American vote Nonhlanhla Mar 2016 #193

Oh, you think she's a "progressive?" Nickel79 Mar 2016 #198

I need to put a lid on racism?! WTF? Nonhlanhla Mar 2016 #200

You referred to us as "the African American vote" Nickel79 Mar 2016 #203

Nonsense Nonhlanhla Mar 2016 #207

You're confused about red state demographics Nickel79 Mar 2016 #211

You seem a little confused. brush Mar 2016 #214

I'm "confused?" Nickel79 Mar 2016 #215

Wasn't the topic of the OP dems opting to vote for Trump instead of Clinton? brush Mar 2016 #218

Trump and Clinton are alike Politicalboi Mar 2016 #160

Could you name some of those ways, please? Octafish Mar 2016 #208

TPP and Trade is going to be a huge issue DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #6

Also the Iraq war jfern Mar 2016 #26

Which Trump supported in the past. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2016 #102

LOL! Politicalboi Mar 2016 #163

Also social security. /nt RiverLover Mar 2016 #48

Anyone who votes for Trump is neither a Democrat or liberal still_one Mar 2016 #7

Or someone that just can't stand Hillary if she wins the nomination, and revbones Mar 2016 #19

NO. That is a false flag. Any person who votes for a racist, says everything about that person. still_one Mar 2016 #22

That's funny. Hillary supporters have been revbones Mar 2016 #29

I believe Hillary is a racist notadmblnd Mar 2016 #60

What racist did she vote for? all american girl Mar 2016 #74

I did not say she voted for racists. I said I believe she is racist notadmblnd Mar 2016 #162

Totally misread that....I thought it meant that she voted for a racist all american girl Mar 2016 #164

The woman with overwhelming black support is a racist? Ok. nt hack89 Mar 2016 #81

Yes. notadmblnd Mar 2016 #161

Let me guess - you are white. hack89 Mar 2016 #165

Stockholm syndrome? How the hell did you get that out of what I wrote? notadmblnd Mar 2016 #188

Don't you think those that suffer daily from racism hack89 Mar 2016 #189

As a matter of fact, yes I have experienced bigotry. notadmblnd Mar 2016 #190

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #204

That's insane. Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #92

Please, enlighten me Nickel79 Mar 2016 #34

Here. Now do yourself a favor and educate yourself. Tanuki Mar 2016 #46

Educate? You're kidding, right? Nickel79 Mar 2016 #120

I guess you are unfamiliar with ontheissues.org, and didn't bother to look at it, Tanuki Mar 2016 #144

I'm well aware of that website Nickel79 Mar 2016 #175

Bull. You obviously weren't familiar with it when you dismissed it as Tanuki Mar 2016 #179

No more claims Nickel79 Mar 2016 #181

I'm guessing because her and Bernie agree, and voted (I think) 93% of the time all american girl Mar 2016 #75

Its that 7% that makes the difference SwampG8r Mar 2016 #94

Seriously? all american girl Mar 2016 #114

It depends on how the evaluation items are weighted Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #126

The Iraq war was in that 7%. So, no. djean111 Mar 2016 #131

Could you please cite me some evidence of that....turning away from being a liberal. all american girl Mar 2016 #134

TPP, war, cluster bombs, fracking - to name just a few things that Hillary is fond of, and that are djean111 Mar 2016 #139

Its easy to minimize the differences SwampG8r Mar 2016 #142

Exactly, she admits it in her book monicaangela Mar 2016 #86

She also had the paperback edition edited Nickel79 Mar 2016 #128

Yet another despicable thing to add monicaangela Mar 2016 #168

I can't believe it either, Monicaangela. Nickel79 Mar 2016 #173

I watched this on Democracy now this morning monicaangela Mar 2016 #183

Unbelievable. Made me cry. Nickel79 Mar 2016 #186

That makes two of us monicaangela Mar 2016 #187

I don't even know what to say anymore. Nickel79 Mar 2016 #191

I understand how you feel monicaangela Mar 2016 #197

You've truly highlighted the positives Nickel79 Mar 2016 #199

We cannot win an election with only the votes of Democrats and Liberals. surrealAmerican Mar 2016 #65

A lot of people do not vote according to neat political labels like 'Democrat' and 'liberal.' 21st Century Poet Mar 2016 #91

The same could be said of Hillary. ozone_man Mar 2016 #140

That is not something I would ever do. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #8

I would never vote for Trump, but I understand their reasoning. They want to send a message. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #9

That's how I feel Nickel79 Mar 2016 #35

people are still underestimating the antiestablishment rage people are feeling. restorefreedom Mar 2016 #10

Glenn Beck said he would support Sanders over Trump. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #12

I have a friend who is this voter nevergiveup Mar 2016 #13

If your friend votes for a racist, then that speaks volumes about him still_one Mar 2016 #23

You keep making blanket generalizations Nickel79 Mar 2016 #37

"Exercise a little thought. Think critically. Try being persuasive" salinsky Mar 2016 #111

You say "infantile" out of pure cowardice or ignorance Nickel79 Mar 2016 #122

Yes, infantile ... salinsky Mar 2016 #133

Your intellectual failures are fairly numerous on this topic, further supporting... Nickel79 Mar 2016 #174

Lol BlindTiresias Mar 2016 #117

Great reply Nickel79 Mar 2016 #124

That a steaming pile of poop. It's astounding in 2016 anonymous people snagglepuss Mar 2016 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author PonyUp Mar 2016 #30

In this instance, anonymous posters making Bernie supporters look smells too snagglepuss Mar 2016 #89

No doubt, you have objective evidence to support your allegation, yes? LanternWaste Mar 2016 #132

Just to make it clear, I am NOT defending these people, but... Odin2005 Mar 2016 #16

I'm one of these "idiots" Nickel79 Mar 2016 #38

Oh, I agree with you. Odin2005 Mar 2016 #50

I completely understand Nickel79 Mar 2016 #137

I urge people to look up the C-SPAN PATRICK Mar 2016 #42

The democratic party has ignored the anger out there. They could have easily capitalized on it Autumn Mar 2016 #21

hey, if they vote for Trump who is a racist, then they are racists. They don't have to vote for still_one Mar 2016 #24

hey, if they vote for Hillary who is a liar revbones Mar 2016 #32

Here's the flaw in your argument ... NanceGreggs Mar 2016 #36

Did I say the majority did? No. revbones Mar 2016 #40

Actually Hillary's negatives are almost as bad as Trump's Human101948 Mar 2016 #106

Championed equality? Nickel79 Mar 2016 #41

She's kinda sorta supported in since 2013.... revbones Mar 2016 #110

Agreed, and it makes me think back to 2003 - 2008 Nickel79 Mar 2016 #177

And if they don't vote Buzz cook Mar 2016 #45

Huh? Trump as a lesser evil compared to Hillary? joshcryer Mar 2016 #63

I didn't say anything about why Trump was winning the nomination. revbones Mar 2016 #96

I'm saying they're more likely to not vote... joshcryer Mar 2016 #98

While I appreciate your insightful analysis revbones Mar 2016 #109

I think Clinton is a scandal magnet. joshcryer Mar 2016 #118

Well... revbones Mar 2016 #121

I don't think it's fear. joshcryer Mar 2016 #125

I think being shut out they way they have been during this election revbones Mar 2016 #136

The great thing is we'll know in 8 months. joshcryer Mar 2016 #138

They don't care what you think. djean111 Mar 2016 #39

Sorry, that's just nonsense. A vote is just that, a vote. Autumn Mar 2016 #84

I'd think a lot would vote 3rd party or not bother to vote jfern Mar 2016 #25

Anyone who would vote for for Donald Trump is a racist Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #28

By that logic, anyone that would vote for Hillary is a liar. It doesn't work does it? revbones Mar 2016 #31

Excuse his racism? Full stop. Gormy Cuss Mar 2016 #130

Equally strange, but may provide some insights eggman67 Mar 2016 #33

It's not really that big a deal Onlooker Mar 2016 #43

Old news Buzz cook Mar 2016 #44

"far fetched"? hardly. Over-the-top-Hillary-hate is not limited to RWers DrDan Mar 2016 #47

I hope not Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #66

It was flooded. OK? delrem Mar 2016 #49

Maybe some of these Sanders-Trump switchers don't know Trump is a racist. raging moderate Mar 2016 #67

any sander supporter that would vote for trump is truly NOT a sander supporter beachbum bob Mar 2016 #51

You don't say? joshcryer Mar 2016 #54

Lets see how well Trump will do with Independents when ads like this are on the air workinclasszero Mar 2016 #52

R's can never take responsibility for anything! peace13 Mar 2016 #53

(sigh!) The "Nothing-But-The-Best-For-The-Oppressed" attitude DinahMoeHum Mar 2016 #55

So some Sanders supporters are OK with a racist,sexist bigot sufrommich Mar 2016 #56

"to our detriment they have closed their eyes to it" joshcryer Mar 2016 #57

I've seen talk about the Internet generation doing it "for the lulz" shawn703 Mar 2016 #59

Trumps "candidacy" is a pure meme driven thing online. joshcryer Mar 2016 #68

Highly stupid. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #61

I don't think their analysis supports this statement. Skwmom Mar 2016 #64

I expect Bernie to earn the nom, but if not I will write in Bernie Sanders in the general peacebird Mar 2016 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author PonyUp Mar 2016 #71

Makes sense CincyDem Mar 2016 #72

People Are Mad... They Want ACTUAL Change This Time... WillyT Mar 2016 #77

Results of your Jury Service FBaggins Mar 2016 #101

Any St. Bernard supporter who would do this is an asshole. beaglelover Mar 2016 #78

... SidDithers Mar 2016 #79

From a reply I posted elsewhere hellofromreddit Mar 2016 #82

So let me get this staight, all american girl Mar 2016 #83

Not this Bernie supporter and Clinton disliker ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #85

There's one right here in this thread who says its Bernie or Donald. yardwork Mar 2016 #97

"In every situation there's going to be more dumb people than smart people" ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #100

Your lack of imagination is shared nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #87

I certainly hope not. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #90

Not a chance I would vote for Trump. timmymoff Mar 2016 #93

This has been obvious right here on DU for months. yardwork Mar 2016 #95

Yes, Trump supporters and Bernie supporters who would switch to Trump are cut from the same cloth .. salinsky Mar 2016 #115

While I could never mark my ballot for Trump... Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #99

Few may vote for Trump tazkcmo Mar 2016 #103

Destructive junk. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #105

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #107

Anyone who votes for Trump is a fucking idiot. Zorra Mar 2016 #113

+ 1 JoePhilly Mar 2016 #119

Maybe some independents whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #123

Because the Donald is saying things that the Democratic Party ignores at their peril. alarimer Mar 2016 #129

Was the kind of thing I feared. Disgruntled white blue collar workers fed up with trade policies EndElectoral Mar 2016 #145

mainly because half the people I was with believed it until I explained the situation to them JTFrog Mar 2016 #146

I think Trump would start less wars than Clinton would. CanadaexPat Mar 2016 #147

He has already said he would use the military to threaten MEXICO for crissakes. Skinner Mar 2016 #152

I could never vote for Trump. bigwillq Mar 2016 #150

A lot of undecided and non voting Americans randr Mar 2016 #151

apparently, some angry progressives will also be going with Trump. MuttLikeMe Mar 2016 #156

It is too bad as the case may be randr Mar 2016 #169

Either emoprogs get their way or it's watch the world burn. MuttLikeMe Mar 2016 #154

The Queen is a terrible terrible terrible candidate Politicalboi Mar 2016 #155

I know a few of these types in real life Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #157

I doubt there are many, if any, Bernie supporters ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #170

right--Clinton will start off by saying "the Republicans are the party of war, deportation, Social- MisterP Mar 2016 #171

Voting for Trump Because SDJay Mar 2016 #172

Any sanders supporter who votes trump will SHAME Bernie.... beachbumbob Mar 2016 #176

According to the article. TheFarseer Mar 2016 #178

It's all about who is easier to get rid of in 4 years if you take a longer view on things.. LonelyLiberalOhio Mar 2016 #180

Wow Turin_C3PO Mar 2016 #182

They talk a lot about this on MSNBC, they have interviewed many that say if not Bernie then Trump krawhitham Mar 2016 #184

In retrospect, this election is going to be considered a turning point in american history. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #185

Hill had better try to make people like her. senz Mar 2016 #194

I know several people who say they would vote for Sanders over Trump, but Trump over Clinton democrattotheend Mar 2016 #195

I do too n/t Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #210

That must have just overwhelmed them kcr Mar 2016 #196

If You Are Voting For The Lesser Of Two Evils, You Are STILL Voting For EVIL... AzDar Mar 2016 #209

Not me - Not EVER !!!!! LyndaG Mar 2016 #212

The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary... SidDithers Mar 2016 #216

No, the fringe left does not like Trump. raging moderate Mar 2016 #217