2016 Postmortem

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The bashing of the Progressives (my own last post here in GDP) [View all] Bonobo Apr 2016 OP

Bernie's not done, Bonobo, but I understand your position. merrily Apr 2016 #1

Yeah, no one's going to have enough pledged delegates going into the convention Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #4

Yes, but the primary is not the ballgame, either--unless the supporters of Sanders make it so. merrily Apr 2016 #7

The primary is the ballgame this time pengu Apr 2016 #33

Thanks. That's not my view of Bernie or what he has started. nt merrily Apr 2016 #37

The last time the Clintons took over the party progressives went to the wilderness for 2 decades pengu Apr 2016 #79

That was then. FYI, the Clintons and other New Democrats have been in merrily Apr 2016 #90

Yes, and they're already moving to force out progressives this time pengu Apr 2016 #92

I understand that. However, 2016 is not 1992. merrily Apr 2016 #94

Increasing popular rage, due to economic oppression, is inevitable. Thus revolution is inevitable. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #96

Truth. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #194

It will be with Clinton as the candidate pengu Apr 2016 #97

Again, we see things differently. What do you want me to say? merrily Apr 2016 #99

You seem like a bright person pengu Apr 2016 #101

That would ensure they win, in every way that matters. Why let them run you off? We have more haikugal Apr 2016 #203

The groundwork has been laid for any opposition during her term to be labeled, "misogynist" nt Snotcicles Apr 2016 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #192

ty pokerfan Apr 2016 #250

She'll give nothing to progressives arikara Apr 2016 #220

I don't think she's going to win the general. Marr Apr 2016 #230

I hear ya, and you're right. The struggle for many of us, is that' we've always been Democrats 2banon Apr 2016 #235

+1 Unicorn Apr 2016 #244

I am glad you are saying that, Merrily. It should not be all for naught. bettyellen Apr 2016 #178

I was thinking the same. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #216

Sorry you feel that way. Some here believe we will make more actual progress with another candidate. Hoyt Apr 2016 #2

Clinton refuses to campaign on a public option, even though it's on her website eridani Apr 2016 #9

It's like two pages of legislation. joshcryer Apr 2016 #12

Someone from Colorado says this?? Do you have a clue what insurance companies-- eridani Apr 2016 #14

Yes, the Koch's are already getting involved. joshcryer Apr 2016 #18

Exactly. Which is why Clinton isn't going to do anything about it eridani Apr 2016 #22

It would not pass this congress openly. joshcryer Apr 2016 #23

And insurance companies won't notice? Please!!!! eridani Apr 2016 #25

Of course they would notice. joshcryer Apr 2016 #26

The choice and more options gambit didn't work in 2009 when we could have used it eridani Apr 2016 #28

Independents are all over the map Arneoker Apr 2016 #45

But 70% of those who vte in primaries are for Sanders. n/t eridani Apr 2016 #252

We have a gerrymandered house Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #55

Gonna need it, with UnitedHealth pulling out of exchanges... Beartracks Apr 2016 #15

Single payer wasn't a hard sell in VT. The state wanted it. But the Giv Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #115

I'm not disagreeing with you ... Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #267

I know that's how it started in Canada and I had hoped hit would start that way here too Nanjeanne May 2016 #270

I agree. Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #271

I feel it too. Thanks for expressing it so well. bbgrunt Apr 2016 #3

I have a feeling it's mother nature who will be delivering the Karma. Unicorn Apr 2016 #246

DU has been on this trajectory PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #5

Yep, the mix on DU has changed considerably rightward IMO, while RKP5637 Apr 2016 #61

According to a poll yesterday with lots of responses, DU is still 80-85% Bernie supporters. leveymg Apr 2016 #107

Thanks for this reply, leveymg! Good to hear!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #112

Don't give up the ship. leveymg Apr 2016 #113

Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #117

Try reading this about the email case brush Apr 2016 #254

Yes, and I also found this in the same thread. Much more to the point> leveymg Apr 2016 #256

This!^^^^^^10000! 2banon Apr 2016 #236

No answer PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #237

It should be a very ineresting convention. Thanks for saying it so well. Bernie isn't done... snowy owl Apr 2016 #6

Totally understand. JimDandy Apr 2016 #8

She's going to have a very rough time of it in the 2016 GE, especially with Charles Koch RKP5637 Apr 2016 #63

"Progressives" bash actual progress. joshcryer Apr 2016 #10

Well… CobaltBlue Apr 2016 #11

"questions about" artislife Apr 2016 #150

Hmm… CobaltBlue Apr 2016 #266

Very few have bashed progressive politics here ... Onlooker Apr 2016 #13

Great response. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #16

That's the saddest part. joshcryer Apr 2016 #20

Onlooker, you've said it all here: Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #46

bullshit. The "Free Stuff' Ponies, and unicorn crap was non stop think Apr 2016 #93

Your entire post is an example of what's wrong here. LonePirate Apr 2016 #137

Soft corruption is perfectly legal in case you weren't aware. So no I didn't say convict her. think Apr 2016 #139

You completely missed the point. LonePirate Apr 2016 #149

I can and will make both points. Hillary is corrupt and her supporters are using right wing memes think Apr 2016 #160

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it? LonePirate Apr 2016 #169

Did Hillary take millions from the banks that broke laws or not? Can you answer that simple question think Apr 2016 #171

That question is irrelevant to the point I am making about your blatant hypocrisy. LonePirate Apr 2016 #172

Hillary took millions from the banks that routinely violate laws. Hillary supports policy that the think Apr 2016 #177

the ubs case is a perfect example of quid pro quo questionseverything Apr 2016 #188

lol eShirl Apr 2016 #180

I read the entire sub-thread and I think it's you who has the reading comprehension problem. ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #231

Couldnt have said it better. Eko Apr 2016 #167

EXACTLY THIS!! bettyellen Apr 2016 #181

You sure have...from your transparency collection: Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #108

Thanks for posting that nt vintx Apr 2016 #132

Bingo. Lovely demonstration of gaslighting. nt laundry_queen Apr 2016 #221

Sander supporters DESPISE HILLARY only bc she has a DOCUMENTED HISTORY of Corruption, PERIOD quantass Apr 2016 #120

This. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #182

You paint a broad brush pinebox Apr 2016 #123

LOL. Trying to revise history. Progressive have been bashed here over and over. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #219

I don't think that progressivism is being bashed so much Arneoker Apr 2016 #17

I wish both of them could be president at the same time! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #66

"the Hillary folks began to bash the very idea of Progressivism" Beartracks Apr 2016 #19

Not only the general idea, but Medicare for All, clean elections, etc. Good grief. merrily Apr 2016 #30

Yes, Hillary supporters want to disenfranchise those who want to vote for her Arneoker Apr 2016 #34

Non sequitur deflection attempt, combined with attacks. p.u. merrily Apr 2016 #44

Responding to the falsehood that Hillary and Company Arneoker Apr 2016 #48

Poster, please. Your reply 34 was to my post 30, which said nothing about those things. merrily Apr 2016 #49

People waited in line beltanefauve Apr 2016 #202

Oh please. Enough with the smarmy condescension. Maedhros Apr 2016 #190

Oh, yeah. That, too. Beartracks Apr 2016 #226

They are my political enemies. Maedhros Apr 2016 #258

This place is hardly a bastion of Liberalism anymore. Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #21

It was never a bastion of liberalism. It was anti Bush and anti Republican. merrily Apr 2016 #31

Yep. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #41

Good summary!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #68

Understood. But I do not agree CobaltBlue Apr 2016 #196

Hillary supporters are Progressives too. You try to redefine it, but fail. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #24

New Democrats redefined liberalism and progressivism, not Sanders' supporters. merrily Apr 2016 #32

If you supported Clinton in the primaries, you are no progressive pengu Apr 2016 #36

This would be an example. The audacity to define Democrats in this manner and expect anything. seabeyond Apr 2016 #69

This is accurate CobaltBlue Apr 2016 #197

+1000 stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #38

Many of us feel the same TrueDemVA Apr 2016 #27

The political environment in the US today is akin to a Jerry Springer show. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #70

Both sides are as bad as each other. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #29

If the democrats don't stop ripping each other apart and cementing hard feelings, that is RKP5637 Apr 2016 #80

Exactly. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #141

The queen falls and the Democratic party can rebuild artislife Apr 2016 #155

No CobaltBlue Apr 2016 #198

What am I wrong about? Bad Dog Apr 2016 #205

so shanti Apr 2016 #206

I am a Socialist. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #241

Just scroll through GDP and you should see we're way past "bickering" 2banon Apr 2016 #238

Don't you. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #240

The probable nominee offends me pengu Apr 2016 #35

Really Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #58

Yes, worst, if the R's had the chance to nominate and install likely the next 3 on RKP5637 Apr 2016 #76

We need to take back Congress Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #259

David Brock puts that into serious question. reddread Apr 2016 #218

Absolute nonsense Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #260

Joe Biden seated Thomas reddread Apr 2016 #263

Here is the thing Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #264

that was a very bipartisan appointment reddread Apr 2016 #265

+1 Unicorn Apr 2016 #248

So where is everyone going? xynthee Apr 2016 #39

You may recognize some old friends here GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #57

Thanks! xynthee Apr 2016 #142

I PMed you nt riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #59

Thanks! I'll see you there! xynthee Apr 2016 #144

Also the Reddit Sanders group is good. lmbradford Apr 2016 #183

I'm out of here. stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #40

Thank-you for proving the OP's point, on ignore mrdmk Apr 2016 #242

" this posts has been hidden by a DU Jury" stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #243

Partisans who seek to divide progressives instead of uniting Hortensis Apr 2016 #42

You're right - the Hillary partisans ARE horrible for using racial politics to divide Democrats. Maedhros Apr 2016 #191

Hope you reconsider Armstead Apr 2016 #43

Oh boo-fucking-hoo... SidDithers Apr 2016 #47

This. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #51

Jesus, I've never seen so many words from you! But right on! boston bean Apr 2016 #53

Tell it, Sid... Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #54

I think the term so many Bernie supporters have used this cycle is... wyldwolf Apr 2016 #56

Spot on. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #65

+1 betsuni Apr 2016 #71

Yep. joshcryer Apr 2016 #74

What flavor is the corporate teet this morning? Yurovsky Apr 2016 #77

Let's see where those "younger, more progressive Americans" are during the mid-term elections. Fla Dem Apr 2016 #126

"You are clearly on the wrong side of the trajectory of this party and this country." vintx Apr 2016 #133

Yes, it's sad that you and so many others ... Martin Eden Apr 2016 #81

They were sold the label that said "Pragmatist (TM) and they didn't realize it was Kool-Aid. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #85

Exactly my assessment. These people are more afraid of being thought fools... for believing in the JudyM Apr 2016 #176

Nailed it. Bernie fans control this forum... JaneyVee Apr 2016 #86

Exactly! I just went through my Transparency page again to look at the alert stalking. R B Garr Apr 2016 #122

K&R COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #88

Exactly the victim card here is tough to take seriously treestar Apr 2016 #109

+1,000,000 nt Andy823 Apr 2016 #125

Thread win. n/t JTFrog Apr 2016 #157

Truth. Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #184

Actually the real problem is a number of people were under the mistaken impression cstanleytech Apr 2016 #187

So pardon me if your warnings about karma fall on deaf ears. Karma is what you're seeing now Haveadream Apr 2016 #189

+1 Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #201

Gonna have to give you a thumbs up for this one Dem2 Apr 2016 #214

Right on and righteous. !!! Nt seabeyond Apr 2016 #228

"Karma is what you're seeing now" Goddamn...TELL IT, Sid!! Number23 Apr 2016 #234

wow, one post and you managed to get all the nasties PaulaFarrell Apr 2016 #255

Nailed it CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #262

Keep up the good fight, the people are waking up. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #50

Au revoir et bonne route Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #52

You're not alone Bonobo. I agree. riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #60

Yep. When you have alleged Democrats on DU arguing that we can't afford Medicare for All ... Scuba Apr 2016 #62

... LexVegas Apr 2016 #64

I feel much the same. 99Forever Apr 2016 #67

I, and others, predict an exodus from the party the day after HRH is nominated. DirtyHippyBastard Apr 2016 #210

well she still may get recommended for indictment. Cobalt Violet Apr 2016 #72

I'm hoping for an inditement, she earned it. Unicorn Apr 2016 #245

Democratic party as a whole has moved away from the people davidn3600 Apr 2016 #73

There are a lot more of us artislife Apr 2016 #161

You are stating your opinions about Hillary as if they were fact. YouDig Apr 2016 #75

lol pengu Apr 2016 #78

Thanks for taking the time to express your thoughts G_j Apr 2016 #82

Happy travels, friend. And you are absolutely right. It wasn't just Sanders who lost. It was the Doctor_J Apr 2016 #83

Your absence is going to leave... ReRe Apr 2016 #84

Don't go away mad alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #87

Just do it! n/t JTFrog Apr 2016 #158

Such a light. nt artislife Apr 2016 #163

You lament 'bashing of Progressives' then proceed to bash Progressives who disagree with you. randome Apr 2016 #89

Progressives are the ones that ummm, back Progressives. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #91

As certified by the Bonobo label. You don't decide these things for us. The voters have. randome Apr 2016 #95

Exactly Andy823 Apr 2016 #127

they also rail against "authoritarianism" while keeping lists and "naming people" as neo cons and bettyellen Apr 2016 #212

Are you denying Hillary's neocon foreign policy?Are you denying her Goldman sachs and other bank think Apr 2016 #100

No response for this, of course. vintx Apr 2016 #136

If you supported Clinton, you are no progressive pengu Apr 2016 #102

The woman who voted > 93% of the time with Sanders? THAT Clinton? randome Apr 2016 #116

+1 betsuni Apr 2016 #119

Ridiculous, right? Further a couple of the votes they disagreed, she was MORE progressive than seabeyond Apr 2016 #143

Except for the killing part artislife Apr 2016 #165

2001 bankruptcy, patriot act, iraq pengu Apr 2016 #186

Great post, Bonobo. polly7 Apr 2016 #98

Respect to you Bono. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #103

I have been meaning to tell you for a long time,,,, Punkingal Apr 2016 #118

You have no idea how much that means to me. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #124

It is obvious that you try, and that is why I said it. Punkingal Apr 2016 #135

That was a very kind thing to say. Bonobo Apr 2016 #131

+1 quantass Apr 2016 #104

KNR. Great post. Karma, thine name is Comey. "And its comin' for ya," Hill. leveymg Apr 2016 #105

Be ready to stand with others if the political revolution evolves to reforming the election and stillwaiting Apr 2016 #106

Karma is "practically Newtonian" lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #110

"Arguing against election audits"? vintx Apr 2016 #140

Yeah, very sad. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #145

They don't care. artislife Apr 2016 #162

as long as she wins, they don't n/t shanti Apr 2016 #207

I found LWolf Apr 2016 #111

+10,000 nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #114

Don't go though -- take a break of needed Armstead Apr 2016 #134

+1 to all of that vintx Apr 2016 #147

right? shanti Apr 2016 #208

It's not over. Don't give up so easily even before the convention! imagine2015 Apr 2016 #121

Holding one's nose to support a compromised candIdate induces cognitive dissonance. Orsino Apr 2016 #128

K&R vintx Apr 2016 #129

What do people expect when supporters of one candidate vociferously attack the other candidate? LonePirate Apr 2016 #130

Please don't leave. You are needed here. Punkingal Apr 2016 #138

They don't care. artislife Apr 2016 #146

HRC still needs 70% of the remaining delegates to get the nomination; it's not at all clear she can amborin Apr 2016 #148

It's not over, it's only just begun Bonobo, it will only get harder AuntPatsy Apr 2016 #151

I just got three requests to give to the DNC using Obama's name. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author betsuni Apr 2016 #154

See ya. n/t JTFrog Apr 2016 #156

Hate to burst your bubble JT but I believe he means his last post in GDP (though it wasn't), not his seaglass Apr 2016 #170

That's unfortunate, but JTFrog Apr 2016 #215

You're a shining example of the case in point. n/t 2banon Apr 2016 #239

Yea, you are so progressive that you think women should forget about breaking that JTFrog Apr 2016 #257

LOL, clueless as usual. Reread it. nt Logical Apr 2016 #224

There are a few moderate/centrists "bashers" of progressive ideas, however forjusticethunders Apr 2016 #159

Clinton will now have to rely on "lesser of two evils", "not as bad", marketing of her product. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #164

A hell of a branding statement, "I'm better than the next choice, so deal with it" mrdmk Apr 2016 #249

Maybe you shouldnt have attacked Clinton Eko Apr 2016 #166

JPR dana_b Apr 2016 #168

Sorry to see you go, Bonobo, but I certainly understand. democrank Apr 2016 #173

Yes, they will definitely get what they deserve. Zorra Apr 2016 #174

Good job! PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #175

Already had a long practice run after Bush was selected in 2000. Zorra Apr 2016 #185

Quitter Buzz cook Apr 2016 #179

Bonobo felix_numinous Apr 2016 #193

K&R ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #195

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #199

Acceptance. Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #200

Bloody hands. MuseRider Apr 2016 #204

Stay....just a little bit longer....... guillaumeb Apr 2016 #209

Can't blame you. It's like DU has turned into blood-red Republican Underground Triana Apr 2016 #211

excellent post. nt laundry_queen Apr 2016 #233

Same. Take care. 7wo7rees Apr 2016 #213

Take a Break...come back when things get "very interesting" down the road. KoKo Apr 2016 #217

Agreed. nt mhatrw Apr 2016 #222

I personally think Karma is bullshit and mostly invoked as a passive aggressive vindication Sheepshank Apr 2016 #223

You used the word vindication wrong. Bonobo Apr 2016 #225

There is no karma...lucky thing for so many asses on this planet Sheepshank Apr 2016 #227

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Apr 2016 #229

I think it's more important that a real liberal is leaving. Unicorn Apr 2016 #247

Bonobo - you can't go. I enjoy your posts too much. jillan Apr 2016 #232

This petition may be for you too then. :) northernsouthern Apr 2016 #251

Wow... wish I said that! It never ceases to amaze me that people on this board can actually BigBearJohn Apr 2016 #253

Good riddance. CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #261

Says a person who has been here a few months G_j May 2016 #272

Very well said Time for change May 2016 #268

Bonobo... Thank You! I Can't Post My Reply Right Now Because ChiciB1 May 2016 #269

catch ya on the flipside. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #273