2016 Postmortem

CajunBlazer

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53. I have come to the conclusion that Michael Moore was never a big Hillary fan

Mon Nov 21, 2016, 06:50 PM

Nov 2016

Also some of the things he has said lately makes me believe that he is more concerned about the "Revolution" then he is about the Democratic party.

For those reasons, I am not sure he is the best authority to to be commenting on why Hillary lost the election.

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Ten Reasons Why Hillary lost - And they are probably not what you thought [View all] CajunBlazer Nov 2016 OP

Excellent analysis radical noodle Nov 2016 #1

I obviously haven't given this as much thought as you have... CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2016 #2

There were others running against her too JonLP24 Nov 2016 #3

He was 74 and had a lifetime to contemplate R B Garr Nov 2016 #29

plus infinity JTFrog Nov 2016 #30

plus 1000! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #48

I think after 8 years under Obama JonLP24 Nov 2016 #62

Wrong, he couldn't name one person he would prosecute regarding Wall Street, so R B Garr Nov 2016 #67

If you paid attention to his career JonLP24 Nov 2016 #70

Bernie Sanders originally was all about pushing Hillary to the left, period. CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #71

Like I said at the time when he was JonLP24 Nov 2016 #72

Sanders was a leading progressive voice - who never got anything done CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #73

"the only state with two Senators and only one Representative. " Wabbajack_ Nov 2016 #109

You're right - my bad! CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #113

The Senate has got to be Wabbajack_ Nov 2016 #114

You will have to blame the founding fathers for that one CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #115

In the case of the Senate Wabbajack_ Nov 2016 #121

Wow, I didn't know about that one. Thanks CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #122

What smears? He campaigned on Ideas, he never attacked her personally. jg10003 Nov 2016 #82

Here the tell... stevebreeze Nov 2016 #55

You're absolutely right CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #56

Agree. but also yes and stevebreeze Nov 2016 #60

The problem with just adopting Bernie's platform... Blanks Nov 2016 #76

I can't exactly remember the timeline JonLP24 Nov 2016 #61

Some analyst predicted Trump would win because he wasn't the incumbent party LeftInTX Nov 2016 #4

The bad economy is a bit of a myth. Unemployment in battleground states: ucrdem Nov 2016 #5

1, thank you the UE rate in those stats are past full employment and now DPurtin says uponit7771 Nov 2016 #14

Do you think that those who went without full time jobs for years or.... CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #58

The electoral college treestar Nov 2016 #6

this Freddie Nov 2016 #27

Lots of MSM mythology here too. No mention of fiddling the vote in any way, though. Ford_Prefect Nov 2016 #7

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #8

Lol, all they have is Bernie Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #10

Are you aware that she is almost two million votes ahead of trump? lunamagica Nov 2016 #35

Yep, and she lost Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #40

No she didn't. Every day it becomes more and more clear that she won and lunamagica Nov 2016 #41

Funny, that's Trump's line Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #42

Oh, come on don't be like that. The election was stolen. Is that better? Do you approve? lunamagica Nov 2016 #43

the GOP and media would have killed Sanders Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #11

No dont think so because Bernie Sanders had a huge Majority of the INdemo Nov 2016 #25

Lol. Those have to be the rosiest color glasses I've ever seen. JTFrog Nov 2016 #34

the millenial/youth vote is never something solid to base a presidential campaign on Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #37

1. JudyM Nov 2016 #97

They can't accept that Bernie would have flamed out R B Garr Nov 2016 #31

he would have been attacked mercilessly on that Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #36

No question Bernie would've landslided Nazi-Don the Con...as we shall see in 4 years!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #13

No. Sorry but the truth hurts. JTFrog Nov 2016 #33

Looking at this in relation to tRump, who would've been his opponent, it wouldn't work mattered. JudyM Nov 2016 #98

Lol, ok. nt JTFrog Nov 2016 #103

All this is very true. I would just add: "voter suppression." pnwmom Nov 2016 #9

Beat me to it... should be the #1 reason!! Need an investigation into this NOW by Executive Order while Obama is still in office. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #16

I'd like to see the Prez do more to oppose the RW takeover while he's still Prez. Ligyron Nov 2016 #24

1 Martin Eden Nov 2016 #17

#1 is a bullshit lie, 4.9% UE rate with rising LFPR and falling U6, the part time recovery is a myth uponit7771 Nov 2016 #12

Can't you disagree with someone without accusing them of lying? n/t pnwmom Nov 2016 #18

Oh, that's okay CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #26

You totally misinterpered the article CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #32

I think you're relieving Hillary of all blame and that isn't fair either. Vinca Nov 2016 #15

Hillary was up against an opponent who got free network coverage for everything he did. pnwmom Nov 2016 #20

Hillary wasn't nearly as good a campaigner as Obama or her husband was. mtnsnake Nov 2016 #19

Hillary had enough magnetism to get 1.7 million votes (and counting) more than DT. pnwmom Nov 2016 #21

She did, but look who she was running against. I think Elizabeth Warren would've clobbered trump. mtnsnake Nov 2016 #22

She was running against a super salesman. "Believe me," Bernie or anyone else would have pnwmom Nov 2016 #44

Excellent post. athena Nov 2016 #50

I think Joe Biden would have beaten Trump LeftInTX Nov 2016 #38

You are of course entitled to your opinion; you are are also entitled to be wrong CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #46

No Democrat running a campaign based on logic and reason pnwmom Nov 2016 #51

Agree CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #68

People were happy saying Clinton's campain was brilliant when Trump seemed to be in her dust Tom Rinaldo Nov 2016 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #45

I would re-title #1 as "Wage Attrition" or re-write it as "Income Disparity." I take issue with #5. Auggie Nov 2016 #28

If by DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #49

It's not that, though I totally understand her need to be on guard Auggie Nov 2016 #52

I have come to the conclusion that Michael Moore was never a big Hillary fan CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #53

Authenticity is my suggestion and only one of several -- perhaps dozens -- of debatable reasons ... Auggie Nov 2016 #54

BTW, it was Moore who warned Trump could win. Auggie Nov 2016 #59

In the South we have a saying: CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #63

Most of the Trump supporters that I've encountered absolutely DO cite the economy. hamsterjill Nov 2016 #39

Disagree about #7 Retrograde Nov 2016 #47

I wouldn't waste my breath if I was you. VulgarPoet Nov 2016 #94

Good analysis! mcar Nov 2016 #57

Thanks, it took a while to get my thoughts together on this one CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #65

Good summary, I'm guessing most here don't find this collection unreasonable Dem2 Nov 2016 #64

The Goring/Swiftboating (choose your term) covered years. CBHagman Nov 2016 #66

Great post. I think that at least 60% goes to the amount of airtime he got underpants Nov 2016 #69

The candidate is blameless? zipplewrath Nov 2016 #74

I agree. potone Nov 2016 #78

And who started the "Hillary is trustworthy" attacks? CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #84

You can't hold him responsible for that. potone Nov 2016 #88

Hillary was considered 'untrustworthy' long before Sanders entered the race. Marr Nov 2016 #92

Nice try zipplewrath Nov 2016 #99

there is one reason that you left out: Corporate owned MSM played a crucial role of Bill USA Nov 2016 #75

She had too few campaign commercials talking about what she would do for America... dubyadiprecession Nov 2016 #77

The Democratic political demise was easily avoidable. It was our own party's fault. Oneironaut Nov 2016 #79

And who was a better candidate - Bernie Sanders??? CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #85

Who else ran? MicaelS Nov 2016 #93

Yes. What's so funny about losing? Oneironaut Nov 2016 #95

No, my problem is that the ultra liberals ..... CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #107

More viable zipplewrath Nov 2016 #100

Bernie was in it to win, and would have except for the Reid machine in NV. jg10003 Nov 2016 #80

BS! - How soon they forget CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #83

TOTALLY agree!!! nt Raine Nov 2016 #86

I kept saying she really needed to come out and talk about how she planned to fix Obamacare costs NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #81

Yep, I'm sure that would have turned everything around... CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #87

That would have made a difference with enough people to change the outcome NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #108

Okay, what plan would you have suggested that Hillary should have pushed? CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #111

Isn't that exactly what we thought? LisaL Nov 2016 #89

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #90

Bernie was the far stronger candidate in the general election. cpwm17 Nov 2016 #91

Oh jeez. LisaL Nov 2016 #96

Hillary was always close to Trump in the polls. cpwm17 Nov 2016 #105

On item #5, I know women who aren't prepared for a woman president. citood Nov 2016 #101

1 of 1. Same reason she lost the 2008 primary: she ignored too many states. ieoeja Nov 2016 #102

This. alarimer Nov 2016 #104

Spoken like a true ultra conservative CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #106

She failed ramapo Nov 2016 #110

Oh so you think Hillary was a bad candidate? CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #112

If you're being Honest you have to admit Hillary had major flaws quantumjunkie Nov 2016 #116

Yet another ultra liberal Bernie Supporter who was part of the problem CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #117

She lost the E.C. / JHan Nov 2016 #118

i think... djsunyc Nov 2016 #119

The economy is doing very well oberliner Nov 2016 #120