2016 Postmortem

cpwm17

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105. Hillary was always close to Trump in the polls.

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:23 PM

Nov 2016

Bernie was not. Hillary's loss should not come as a surprise to anyone that had any idea what was going on. Hillary's supporters were warned that there was a good chance that she could lose.

This is malpractice by the Democratic Party. People chose selfishness over country, and that includes Hillary.

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Ten Reasons Why Hillary lost - And they are probably not what you thought [View all] CajunBlazer Nov 2016 OP

Excellent analysis radical noodle Nov 2016 #1

I obviously haven't given this as much thought as you have... CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2016 #2

There were others running against her too JonLP24 Nov 2016 #3

He was 74 and had a lifetime to contemplate R B Garr Nov 2016 #29

plus infinity JTFrog Nov 2016 #30

plus 1000! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #48

I think after 8 years under Obama JonLP24 Nov 2016 #62

Wrong, he couldn't name one person he would prosecute regarding Wall Street, so R B Garr Nov 2016 #67

If you paid attention to his career JonLP24 Nov 2016 #70

Bernie Sanders originally was all about pushing Hillary to the left, period. CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #71

Like I said at the time when he was JonLP24 Nov 2016 #72

Sanders was a leading progressive voice - who never got anything done CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #73

"the only state with two Senators and only one Representative. " Wabbajack_ Nov 2016 #109

You're right - my bad! CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #113

The Senate has got to be Wabbajack_ Nov 2016 #114

You will have to blame the founding fathers for that one CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #115

In the case of the Senate Wabbajack_ Nov 2016 #121

Wow, I didn't know about that one. Thanks CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #122

What smears? He campaigned on Ideas, he never attacked her personally. jg10003 Nov 2016 #82

Here the tell... stevebreeze Nov 2016 #55

You're absolutely right CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #56

Agree. but also yes and stevebreeze Nov 2016 #60

The problem with just adopting Bernie's platform... Blanks Nov 2016 #76

I can't exactly remember the timeline JonLP24 Nov 2016 #61

Some analyst predicted Trump would win because he wasn't the incumbent party LeftInTX Nov 2016 #4

The bad economy is a bit of a myth. Unemployment in battleground states: ucrdem Nov 2016 #5

1, thank you the UE rate in those stats are past full employment and now DPurtin says uponit7771 Nov 2016 #14

Do you think that those who went without full time jobs for years or.... CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #58

The electoral college treestar Nov 2016 #6

this Freddie Nov 2016 #27

Lots of MSM mythology here too. No mention of fiddling the vote in any way, though. Ford_Prefect Nov 2016 #7

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #8

Lol, all they have is Bernie Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #10

Are you aware that she is almost two million votes ahead of trump? lunamagica Nov 2016 #35

Yep, and she lost Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #40

No she didn't. Every day it becomes more and more clear that she won and lunamagica Nov 2016 #41

Funny, that's Trump's line Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #42

Oh, come on don't be like that. The election was stolen. Is that better? Do you approve? lunamagica Nov 2016 #43

the GOP and media would have killed Sanders Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #11

No dont think so because Bernie Sanders had a huge Majority of the INdemo Nov 2016 #25

Lol. Those have to be the rosiest color glasses I've ever seen. JTFrog Nov 2016 #34

the millenial/youth vote is never something solid to base a presidential campaign on Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #37

1. JudyM Nov 2016 #97

They can't accept that Bernie would have flamed out R B Garr Nov 2016 #31

he would have been attacked mercilessly on that Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #36

No question Bernie would've landslided Nazi-Don the Con...as we shall see in 4 years!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #13

No. Sorry but the truth hurts. JTFrog Nov 2016 #33

Looking at this in relation to tRump, who would've been his opponent, it wouldn't work mattered. JudyM Nov 2016 #98

Lol, ok. nt JTFrog Nov 2016 #103

All this is very true. I would just add: "voter suppression." pnwmom Nov 2016 #9

Beat me to it... should be the #1 reason!! Need an investigation into this NOW by Executive Order while Obama is still in office. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #16

I'd like to see the Prez do more to oppose the RW takeover while he's still Prez. Ligyron Nov 2016 #24

1 Martin Eden Nov 2016 #17

#1 is a bullshit lie, 4.9% UE rate with rising LFPR and falling U6, the part time recovery is a myth uponit7771 Nov 2016 #12

Can't you disagree with someone without accusing them of lying? n/t pnwmom Nov 2016 #18

Oh, that's okay CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #26

You totally misinterpered the article CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #32

I think you're relieving Hillary of all blame and that isn't fair either. Vinca Nov 2016 #15

Hillary was up against an opponent who got free network coverage for everything he did. pnwmom Nov 2016 #20

Hillary wasn't nearly as good a campaigner as Obama or her husband was. mtnsnake Nov 2016 #19

Hillary had enough magnetism to get 1.7 million votes (and counting) more than DT. pnwmom Nov 2016 #21

She did, but look who she was running against. I think Elizabeth Warren would've clobbered trump. mtnsnake Nov 2016 #22

She was running against a super salesman. "Believe me," Bernie or anyone else would have pnwmom Nov 2016 #44

Excellent post. athena Nov 2016 #50

I think Joe Biden would have beaten Trump LeftInTX Nov 2016 #38

You are of course entitled to your opinion; you are are also entitled to be wrong CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #46

No Democrat running a campaign based on logic and reason pnwmom Nov 2016 #51

Agree CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #68

People were happy saying Clinton's campain was brilliant when Trump seemed to be in her dust Tom Rinaldo Nov 2016 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #45

I would re-title #1 as "Wage Attrition" or re-write it as "Income Disparity." I take issue with #5. Auggie Nov 2016 #28

If by DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #49

It's not that, though I totally understand her need to be on guard Auggie Nov 2016 #52

I have come to the conclusion that Michael Moore was never a big Hillary fan CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #53

Authenticity is my suggestion and only one of several -- perhaps dozens -- of debatable reasons ... Auggie Nov 2016 #54

BTW, it was Moore who warned Trump could win. Auggie Nov 2016 #59

In the South we have a saying: CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #63

Most of the Trump supporters that I've encountered absolutely DO cite the economy. hamsterjill Nov 2016 #39

Disagree about #7 Retrograde Nov 2016 #47

I wouldn't waste my breath if I was you. VulgarPoet Nov 2016 #94

Good analysis! mcar Nov 2016 #57

Thanks, it took a while to get my thoughts together on this one CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #65

Good summary, I'm guessing most here don't find this collection unreasonable Dem2 Nov 2016 #64

The Goring/Swiftboating (choose your term) covered years. CBHagman Nov 2016 #66

Great post. I think that at least 60% goes to the amount of airtime he got underpants Nov 2016 #69

The candidate is blameless? zipplewrath Nov 2016 #74

I agree. potone Nov 2016 #78

And who started the "Hillary is trustworthy" attacks? CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #84

You can't hold him responsible for that. potone Nov 2016 #88

Hillary was considered 'untrustworthy' long before Sanders entered the race. Marr Nov 2016 #92

Nice try zipplewrath Nov 2016 #99

there is one reason that you left out: Corporate owned MSM played a crucial role of Bill USA Nov 2016 #75

She had too few campaign commercials talking about what she would do for America... dubyadiprecession Nov 2016 #77

The Democratic political demise was easily avoidable. It was our own party's fault. Oneironaut Nov 2016 #79

And who was a better candidate - Bernie Sanders??? CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #85

Who else ran? MicaelS Nov 2016 #93

Yes. What's so funny about losing? Oneironaut Nov 2016 #95

No, my problem is that the ultra liberals ..... CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #107

More viable zipplewrath Nov 2016 #100

Bernie was in it to win, and would have except for the Reid machine in NV. jg10003 Nov 2016 #80

BS! - How soon they forget CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #83

TOTALLY agree!!! nt Raine Nov 2016 #86

I kept saying she really needed to come out and talk about how she planned to fix Obamacare costs NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #81

Yep, I'm sure that would have turned everything around... CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #87

That would have made a difference with enough people to change the outcome NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #108

Okay, what plan would you have suggested that Hillary should have pushed? CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #111

Isn't that exactly what we thought? LisaL Nov 2016 #89

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #90

Bernie was the far stronger candidate in the general election. cpwm17 Nov 2016 #91

Oh jeez. LisaL Nov 2016 #96

Hillary was always close to Trump in the polls. cpwm17 Nov 2016 #105

On item #5, I know women who aren't prepared for a woman president. citood Nov 2016 #101

1 of 1. Same reason she lost the 2008 primary: she ignored too many states. ieoeja Nov 2016 #102

This. alarimer Nov 2016 #104

Spoken like a true ultra conservative CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #106

She failed ramapo Nov 2016 #110

Oh so you think Hillary was a bad candidate? CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #112

If you're being Honest you have to admit Hillary had major flaws quantumjunkie Nov 2016 #116

Yet another ultra liberal Bernie Supporter who was part of the problem CajunBlazer Nov 2016 #117

She lost the E.C. / JHan Nov 2016 #118

i think... djsunyc Nov 2016 #119

The economy is doing very well oberliner Nov 2016 #120