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2016 Postmortem

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sheshe2

(87,303 posts)
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:04 PM Nov 2016

Fuck the white working class [View all]

The Rude Pundit calls it like it is.

Look. We liberals gave them health care and addiction treatment and retraining help and an auto industry bailout that saved millions of their jobs. We created the programs that brought electricity and indoor plumbing and phone service to them. We gave them tons of shit that the Republicans fought tooth and nail to prevent or take away. We kept them fucking alive, goddammmit. And in the end, none of that made a damn bit of difference because it’s not about how bad their life is with them. It’s all about identity politics. It’s all about sticking it to The Man, about being upset that n***ers and f****ts no longer know their place, about a fear their children might get edumacated and move the fuck away from the hellhole they’ve made of the place they live.

And since I’m sure some sanctimonious Republican dickwad is gonna flounce in here at any moment and decry El Rudo and me as some New Yawk Elite and other bullshit like that, El Rudo is from Louisiana, like me. We went to the same high school, actually, and I remember him well though he was two years behind me (folks, he was loud, profane, and funny as hell even as a young El Rudo). When he says that Democrats chasing white working class voters is a lost cause, he’s not doing it from some elite coast viewpoint, he’s doing it as someone who grew up there and knows how people think there (for some definition of the word “think”). Identity politics trumps economics, in the end.

We liberals should feel their pain if we want their votes? Fuck that shit. We should do what’s right by them because unlike them, we embody the Christian virtues of caring for the least amongst us, but that ain’t gonna make a bit of difference in terms of votes because when you see people who repeatedly time and time again spew racist blather like it’s God’s own truth, who continually over and over vote against the people who created the government programs that keep their butts alive and give them a chance for the future (programs like Medicaid and food stamps and retraining programs and so forth), when you see people who time and again vote for politicians making shallow promises about things that even a moment’s worth of thought can never happen because reality just don’t work that way (those coal jobs are *gone*, people, and they aren’t coming back, because even the Chinese are retiring coal-fired power plants and replacing them with solar and wind), when you continually see people who vote against their own self-interests because they care more about sticking it to “The Man”, some caricature in some far-off state that they don’t really comprehend but they know has to exist, than they care about their own self-interests… screw’em. Yeah, call me smug if you want. Won’t be the first time. Won’t be the last time. But I’ll just point out that Trump won with fewer votes than McCain lost by. Trump didn’t win because white working class voters deserted to him. Trump won because the Democrats forgot their own coalition and didn’t turn out their own voters. A coalition that today trends urban, more educated, more minority, and younger than Republican, and which was broken up this year by a number of things, but none of which had a damn thing to do with white working class people.

As for white working class people? Yeah, their plight sucks. 99% of it is their own fault for hanging on to their own petty bigotries and hanging on to their own ignorance and refusing education when it was offered to them, but yeah, their plight sucks. And we liberals ought to do something about that. But because it’s the right thing to do, not because they’re going to be grateful and vote for us. This election wasn’t about economics. Trump’s voters actually trended *wealthier* than in the last election. Claiming the election was about economics is nonsense. This election was about identity politics, pure and simple. It was about a whole class of people saying, “Stop the world, we want off, we want to go back to when you could graduate high school dumber than a rock and still make a good living at the coal mine, and black people knew their place, and gay people were somewhere else, not in our face in our towns, and we didn’t have all these strange ideas coming into our towns via satellite TV and the Internet.” Well that ain’t happenin’. That train done rolled. The left-behind are pissed about that. Well, there’s not a bloody thing we can do to make them un-pissed about it. You know what the take-up rates are on re-training programs in Kentucky coal towns? You know how many of those who *did* take the re-training courses were willing to move in order to get a job in their new field? 0.5%. Zero. Point. Five. Percent. You got people who aren’t willing to help themselves, and then they’re blaming Democrats for that fact. Boo fucking hoo.

So fuck the white working class. We liberals have no outreach to do there that has any political import. What we need to do is get the liberal coalition back together again, and kick their politicians out of office and help these stupid motherfuckers despite their unwillingness to show a dime’s worth of gratitude for that help, not because we’re going to get their votes — the dumb ass motherfuckers ain’t gonna vote for a liberal, nosirree — but because it’s the right thing to do. And then we need to dump all the bullshit that the KGB spread to divide Democrats against themselves, and get our people pumped up and ready to vote these motherfuckers out of office and get in there and fix this shit, already. Wasting time on the white working class trying to win their votes, in the end, as about as useful as outreach to Amazon jungle tribesmen. They’re both a bunch of primitive dipshits who aren’t gonna vote for us regardless, so. Offer them help because it’s the right thing to do, but obsessing about getting the votes of these primitive inbreds is about as useful as a bicycle for fish. We need to get our own shit together and get our own people out to vote. That’s the solution, in the end.

– Badtux the Rude Penguin

Ouch. Fact.

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Fuck the white working class [View all] sheshe2 Nov 2016 OP
Apologies to Amazon jungle tribesmen, I presume... Beartracks Nov 2016 #1
Just my thought. pangaia Nov 2016 #13
The OP seems to think so melman Nov 2016 #17
plus a billion and this anti identity politics posturing on here and in the Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #2
Don't you know.. JHan Nov 2016 #26
Dog whistle and it's sick and it's right here at du lunasun Nov 2016 #36
Rude pundit really needs to discover the difference between fact and opinion. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #3
No one says 90% can not be reached. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #8
I did read it and I recognize your situation sheshe. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #10
For Sweden that used to be true, back when there were fewer immigrants in the country mythology Nov 2016 #29
I am aware and thank you for referencing that. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #66
I was going to say. Beat me to it. Ligyron Nov 2016 #105
Your "Fuck the White Working Class" says EXACTLY that.. whathehell Nov 2016 #56
The white dudes cannot be reached. Period. Forget it. duffyduff Nov 2016 #9
I respect your opinions, but the term working class is necessary in the US guillaumeb Nov 2016 #11
The trouble is people like Sanders see the situation only in terms of economics. duffyduff Nov 2016 #15
But the term "middle class" is meaningless. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #19
Im a Marxist, Karl Marx was my friend and, DuffyDuff, Bernie Sanders is no KingCharlemagne Nov 2016 #49
Maybe they meant he's a follower of Groucho? A Marx Brothers-ist? aidbo Nov 2016 #76
Bernie is only a marxist to conservatives. dionysus Dec 2016 #123
Republicans want us to ignore differences about race and democrats want us to ignore class hollowdweller Dec 2016 #164
No they can't, my parents recently had dinner with these types. Initech Nov 2016 #20
Calling liberals marxists is what red baiting RWers and 3rd Wayers do... dionysus Dec 2016 #116
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #146
Huh? The Third Way is the think tank carrying on the old DLC torch. What on *earth* dionysus Dec 2016 #147
This message was self-deleted by its author fun n serious Dec 2016 #149
Uh... okayyyyyyyy.... dionysus Dec 2016 #155
Well, I will show you... fun n serious Dec 2016 #156
A majority of working class whites still voted Democratic for most (or even all) offices for decades YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #165
Rebuild and expand Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #4
So tired of all the hate. mia Nov 2016 #5
Seriously melman Nov 2016 #18
And it's really disgusting... SMC22307 Nov 2016 #23
Most definitely! True Dough Dec 2016 #133
Totally agree nt Raine Nov 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Akacia Nov 2016 #47
Yes, the hate that's illustrated by the OP, for instance.. whathehell Nov 2016 #64
In many posts Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #102
It's pretty decent trolling, as lots of people, sadly, are buying it. dionysus Dec 2016 #124
Hmm, and some wonder why we lost the election. frankieallen Nov 2016 #87
Yep the hate Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #101
You forgot 'inbred' Dems to Win Nov 2016 #108
That term does not include progressive whites who may be working class. Come on, you know that. brush Dec 2016 #128
I hope the tide is turning on this generalizing, mia True Dough Dec 2016 #131
+ infinity OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #158
They all need to wake up and realize radical noodle Nov 2016 #6
Nobody had a majority this election. Travis_0004 Nov 2016 #12
They hold the house, Senate, whitehouse, and most state govs... And you say we won? Amishman Nov 2016 #58
agreed %100 !! frankieallen Nov 2016 #88
It's not our tone or message fun n serious Dec 2016 #154
Exactly. OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #160
You would think no working class white guys voted Dem listening to these fools. dionysus Dec 2016 #117
Fucking perfect and 100% right on! boguspotus Nov 2016 #7
Huh? Do you say all working class white guys voted for that nazi? Wtf? dionysus Dec 2016 #118
Fuck them? Maybe not. But waste energy by reaching out? No. Barack_America Nov 2016 #14
if Trump's voters trended wealthier than usual, then it seems odd to blame it on the working class fishwax Nov 2016 #16
so, like the last article you posted, which had the same message about "fuck such and such" JCanete Nov 2016 #21
Yup with that attitude we better get used to being out of power Raine Nov 2016 #25
You're right True Dough Dec 2016 #132
1000!!!! I was thinking and posted very similar thoughts earlier. AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #22
This.. this is what fucking frustrates me.. JHan Nov 2016 #27
Does that include those of us who voted for Hillary, donated, and Pathwalker Nov 2016 #28
First of all, I am white. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #34
And happen to be male? Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #103
Calling this fact is silly mythology Nov 2016 #30
Wrong...just like you they RESENT being told what they can/can't do, say, think, feel, believe, etc NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #31
Yes!!! Akacia Nov 2016 #50
I have noticed this too. The Democratic Party has taken on a wide but JimBeard Nov 2016 #51
Hi, what do you mean by your last line? uppityperson Nov 2016 #71
I don't know what happened when I tried to loggback on. I had 1,500 post before the crash. JimBeard Nov 2016 #72
I found your previous account, it is different from this one, a different profile # and all uppityperson Nov 2016 #77
Very true Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #104
Needless slam of Amazonians aside, I agree 100%. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #32
I have to say....I find it hard to sympathize with the "angry white voters" Coventina Nov 2016 #33
Coventina! sheshe2 Nov 2016 #35
I know, right? Trump ran the angriest, most violent campaign since the civil war Coventina Nov 2016 #43
;) sheshe2 Nov 2016 #44
-grin- Coventina Nov 2016 #45
Honey, you rock! sheshe2 Nov 2016 #46
As do you!!! Coventina Nov 2016 #61
If you can't acknowledge the struggles of others... TCJ70 Nov 2016 #59
Oh please spare me. The white, straight, Christian man's struggles. Coventina Nov 2016 #62
Your response is comical... TCJ70 Nov 2016 #63
Um, excuse me but the people you describe voted for TRUMP (by huge majorities) Coventina Nov 2016 #68
And why didn't they vote for our team? TCJ70 Nov 2016 #74
There was no lack of messaging to address their concerns. Hillary had publicly posted plans to Squinch Nov 2016 #81
Thank you! You said it much better than I would have! N/t Coventina Nov 2016 #99
I disagree! I've seen your posts around this issue, and feel that your voice is one that Squinch Nov 2016 #100
Do you think poverty is limited to the white trailer park? Do you think that the jobs that are Squinch Nov 2016 #79
Of course I don't think that... TCJ70 Nov 2016 #80
Yep. We are all struggling with exactly the same forces. And yet most of us were responsible Squinch Nov 2016 #82
In essence, old guy Nov 2016 #106
Really they want a fairy godmother, and they've put a tiara on his head and a wand in his hand. Squinch Nov 2016 #112
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about oberliner Nov 2016 #78
I am a member of the white working class, and I think Coventina is dead right. Squinch Nov 2016 #83
You are both entitled to your opinions oberliner Nov 2016 #86
There is nothing progressive about pandering to the kind of ignorance, bigotry and Squinch Nov 2016 #94
Agreed oberliner Nov 2016 #95
K&R! betsuni Nov 2016 #37
Now THAT is how I feel. rusty quoin Nov 2016 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Akacia Nov 2016 #39
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #40
She lost the EC by 100,000 votes... that's not losing the presidency that's a margin uponit7771 Nov 2016 #41
Haters gonna hate. nt jalan48 Nov 2016 #42
Praise the working class. mia Nov 2016 #48
Fuck the Rude Pundit and anyone who wants to "fuck" any group.of Americans based on race & class whathehell Nov 2016 #52
Then make it about money greymattermom Nov 2016 #53
Sounds good to me.. whathehell Nov 2016 #54
Trying to divide people is never a good idea nolabels Nov 2016 #55
Tell it to the OP whathehell Nov 2016 #57
Rude Pundit is a college professor, i believe. dionysus Dec 2016 #125
What is, and how do you identify a 'white working class' ? nolabels Nov 2016 #60
The kickback to the OP is absolutely predictable NastyRiffraff Nov 2016 #65
A lot of these counties that went heavily Trump were heavily Obama Yo_Mama Nov 2016 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author Kathy M Nov 2016 #73
correct, so I would like someone to explain how all these millions of enlighten obama supporters frankieallen Nov 2016 #89
They want more than incremental change alarimer Nov 2016 #107
Couldn't agree more...if Dems try to work with the majority unitedwethrive Nov 2016 #69
So, let america suffer just to drive a guy from office? Hmm, who did that last... dionysus Dec 2016 #126
The problem is the "white working class" is in coalition with the Kleptocrat billionaires who... johnnyrocket Nov 2016 #70
. Iggo Nov 2016 #75
The problem is.... vi5 Nov 2016 #84
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #85
we have a real need demtenjeep Nov 2016 #90
So I guess it's all right to ALSO FUCK all of the MINORITIES BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #91
Black folks, women and gays have been hearing about how terrible and awful "identity politics" are Number23 Nov 2016 #92
You are here. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #93
Truth. Unadulterated. joshcryer Nov 2016 #96
And now you are complaining in another thread whistler162 Nov 2016 #97
What--did she touch a nerve? ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #98
There is a trend, whistler True Dough Dec 2016 #134
K&R Gothmog Nov 2016 #109
White working class said "Fuck You!" to you, with some power behind it. Want more? Dems to Win Nov 2016 #110
FYI- people are sharing this link as "Why [we] Democrats Lose: The Thread" jake335544 Nov 2016 #111
K&R samir.g Dec 2016 #113
They're already fucked. Orsino Dec 2016 #114
Yes, they were already fucked and to stupid to know that. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #129
I'm white working class, dem voter for life, and Rude can go fuck himself. dionysus Dec 2016 #115
Well ... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #119
These days you can't tell with all the rhetoric flying around! dionysus Dec 2016 #120
I am or at least was white working class. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #121
Well the trumpistas are only a portion of the white working class, and i doubt a majority... dionysus Dec 2016 #122
Rude was talking about Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2016 #166
Well said. I agree. F*** 'em. Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #127
Current sitting Prez Go Vols Dec 2016 #130
Point? sheshe2 Dec 2016 #135
Its not opinion Go Vols Dec 2016 #136
................. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #138
lol Go Vols Dec 2016 #139
or this Go Vols Dec 2016 #140
Now THAT would make for a nice bumpersticker. Throd 2.0 Dec 2016 #137
As a white working class voter NobodyHere Dec 2016 #141
And why this thread didn't get locked. OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #143
What rule does it violate? George II Dec 2016 #145
At least three from what I can tell. OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #148
You're probably not familiar with the Rude Pundit, from which the OP quoted... George II Dec 2016 #150
I was unaware OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #157
I don't necessarily agree with the nature of the language used by the Rude Pundit, but... George II Dec 2016 #159
It didn't get locked because too many people here agree with it's premise (nt) jack_krass Dec 2016 #151
This message was self-deleted by its author jack_krass Dec 2016 #152
Are you kidding me? OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #142
Trump said what? :) morganallen Dec 2016 #144
I'm starting to feel unwelcome here jzodda Dec 2016 #153
It's going to be a tough four years for Americans, especially minorities. jalan48 Dec 2016 #162
I fear you are correct, yagotme Dec 2016 #167
Not good to say 'f***' to an entire group of people ram2016 Dec 2016 #161
Sounds like a republican ranting about black people. hollowdweller Dec 2016 #163
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