2016 Postmortem

KPN

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63. Hillary's luck?

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 01:48 PM

Dec 2016

There's a lot more that went into and caused this epic fail than Hillary's luck. Introspection and retooling are warranted.

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Why are people so insistent that the Democratic Party is fatally flawed? [View all] boston bean Dec 2016 OP

Don't forget voter suppression radical noodle Dec 2016 #1

This was a BIG factor. spooky3 Dec 2016 #4

What people? Media? They've already been purchased. lonestarnot Dec 2016 #2

I think that it is because WhiteTara Dec 2016 #3

I am being told it was all about Weiner, Visa's, Trade and Monica ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #5

It's not. LisaM Dec 2016 #6

People want it to move left Chiquitita Dec 2016 #7

Hillary ran the most progressive leftist campaign in history. boston bean Dec 2016 #14

It's nothing more than my 2cents Chiquitita Dec 2016 #47

To me, this is a big part of the problem mcar Dec 2016 #51

I think Mondale and McGovern were not to the right of Clinton. David__77 Dec 2016 #60

And Nixon supported nationalized healthcare. baldguy Dec 2016 #146

if this is true, why did Russ Feingold lose? Why did Zephyr Teachout lose? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #35

I don't know. Chiquitita Dec 2016 #42

she got more votes than Feingold did in wisconsin. kinda goes against your argument. nt La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #44

Then I don't know Chiquitita Dec 2016 #49

i'm not looking for a fight, i'm saying there is no evidence outside of large cities La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #72

Teachers are going to have it extremely hard blue cat Dec 2016 #104

We've gotten our asses kicked in 3 out of 4 elections now. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #8

Agreed. Too many Democrats just look at the presidential race and never bother Midwestern Democrat Dec 2016 #13

The good news is that winning becomes much easier when the other guy is in charge. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #17

+1 Dems to Win Dec 2016 #16

Then we have to learn to love midterms (We tend to win the popular vote in presidential races). CBHagman Dec 2016 #52

There will always be people who attack the Democratic Party first, even while claiming friendship. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #9

Umm ... because KPN Dec 2016 #10

Agreed. "None of the Above" won this election in a landslide. TonyPDX Dec 2016 #27

Then it's no wonder we now live in an idiocracy. JTFrog Dec 2016 #124

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #11

It's been proven that Russia hacked into DNC emails. They also funneled info to that weasel Assange brush Dec 2016 #21

could you link to/direct me where to look for the proof? onyxw Dec 2016 #140

I understand more definitive proof is coming soon brush Dec 2016 #141

There was no substance to the hacked emails. lapucelle Dec 2016 #53

Exactly. We actually outnumber the repugs, and won the popular vote by millions brush Dec 2016 #12

people have a tendency to whine when things go wrong....human nature beachbum bob Dec 2016 #15

We have neglected the state and local level for so long we are completely locked out in many states. nycbos Dec 2016 #18

Translation: anybody who didn't thimk HRC was not the most qualified person to.ever jack_krass Dec 2016 #19

Sanders himself was fatally flawed and never vetted ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #20

"not a Democrat." jack_krass Dec 2016 #36

How so? ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #83

'is "against us", a racist, and a sexist.' NRQ891 Dec 2016 #26

So calling out sexism and racism ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #28

it is, if you consistently exaggerate NRQ891 Dec 2016 #29

Ok ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #45

Yah, smh fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #103

Nice to know that someone else feels the "against us" KPN Dec 2016 #59

The democratic establishment cleared the field for Hillary early on before the primaries. killbotfactory Dec 2016 #22

'And the response is "nothing to see here, folks"?' WRONG! NRQ891 Dec 2016 #24

America is Greater Than It's Ever Been! Dems to Win Dec 2016 #116

And don't forget NAFTA Dems to Win Dec 2016 #118

Dems are fine, just need a plain English pitch DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #23

I hope you are a canvasser, volunteer, writer, or similar. CBHagman Dec 2016 #55

No, but thanks for the compliment DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #93

Then a lot of people need to hear from you! CBHagman Dec 2016 #113

I do try when the chance presents, but DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #137

Then writing it will be. CBHagman Dec 2016 #149

Hope you stay involved. Your plain-speaking ideas make so much sense and are easily grasped. brush Dec 2016 #142

Think about the fact that she won the popular vote by 2.5 million La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #25

...And now we are on the outside looking in. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #30

could things have been better, yes? but some of the proposals being put forward La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #32

'she won the popular vote' - that and 5 bucks will get you a latte at starbucks NRQ891 Dec 2016 #31

i understand how the EC won, but because she got more votes La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #33

my point is rather that when you cut it close, you're vulnerable to bad luck NRQ891 Dec 2016 #37

When a president from one party has occupied the WH for 8 years La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #38

I feel the unfortunate part of Hillary's luck NRQ891 Dec 2016 #39

Comey's letter was malicious. turns out FBI was also investigating trump La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #40

but Weiner made a malicious gesture more safe to make NRQ891 Dec 2016 #41

weiner was a convenient excuse to do what Comey did. but Comey's little lecture La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #43

my point, is that without the cover of Weiner, Comey might have still felt NRQ891 Dec 2016 #46

sure. but i'm saying his little editorial, which goes against so many norms of the FBI La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #48

Hillary's luck? KPN Dec 2016 #63

What we need more than a complete revamping and beating ourselves over the head is world wide wally Dec 2016 #34

Great idea, but that requires an overhaul of the DNC system. Exilednight Dec 2016 #131

K&R mcar Dec 2016 #50

We have a big communication/image problem. We've allowed conservatives to brand us. Auggie Dec 2016 #54

The results of the last three elections makes it clear that something is not working. Seshat Dec 2016 #56

Actually no ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #73

It was not so long ago that Democrats were chortling over GOP disfunctional. Seshat Dec 2016 #109

The Democratic party candidate received 2.5 MILLION more votes DesertRat Dec 2016 #94

Was anything I posted factually inaccurate? Seshat Dec 2016 #108

I think if you drop the word "fatally" it makes sense. jalan48 Dec 2016 #57

"Think Racism/Sexism". That is one of the flaws. mr_liberal Dec 2016 #58

Fatal perhaps not, but GOP controls 240/435 House, 52/100 Senate, President, 34/50 Governors, 31/49 andym Dec 2016 #61

besides obama, we have more or less been in this position for years La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #62

With everyone on DU/Kos and other sites so focused on the Presidency andym Dec 2016 #67

yes, plus we think we are smarter than we actually are La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #68

No doubt, but this Presidential election, the GOP got the opponent they wanted andym Dec 2016 #80

We lost the presidency, both houses of congress, soon the judicial, LostOne4Ever Dec 2016 #64

Why do you think the Democratic Party "allowed" that to happen? ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #66

Too focused on the presidency and not enough on the state level. Nt LostOne4Ever Dec 2016 #69

That is indeed a problem ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #75

I just think that LostOne4Ever Dec 2016 #77

Could you clarify please? ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #79

I mean after 2012 more resources should have been put to getting legislatures and governors LostOne4Ever Dec 2016 #87

Poor leadership-Debbie Wassermann Schultz. jalan48 Dec 2016 #71

Oh for Gods sake ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #78

Oh yeah-she's a real gem. Pay Day loan anyone? jalan48 Dec 2016 #82

*sigh* ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #84

How about Donna Brazile? She's good with questions I've heard. jalan48 Dec 2016 #86

There is a fundemental ideologigal economic divide in the party.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #65

how are you going to bring back manufacturing jobs that are increasingly being automated? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #70

Other countries do it because they aren't fixated on protecting the rich. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #74

other countries do what specifically? prevent automation? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #76

The don't argue the false choice between outsourcing and automation. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #96

But it isn't a false choice in the manufacturing realm La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #99

Sure it is. It's right up there with the claim that American labor expects too much. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #105

Folks really need to understand that manufacturing in the US is practically at an all-time high. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #111

Yes, every expert says so, hence I believe this to be true La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #112

All the high paying/high tech jobs were out-sourced to India? ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #81

Yup. The whole Neoliberal model blew up in their face.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #97

The Democratic Party is flawed INdemo Dec 2016 #85

Because so many of us warned of the dangers of nominating Hillary LittleBlue Dec 2016 #88

end the cynical race and gender baiting in exchange for a unifying message of jobs, healthcare a jack_krass Dec 2016 #91

Thank you. Agree 100% nt Dems to Win Dec 2016 #119

The Democratic Party establishment literally .. ananda Dec 2016 #89

And too many supposedly on OUR side not only applied a ridiculous purity test, but actually repeated deurbano Dec 2016 #90

i think some people don't like the minority influence in the party JI7 Dec 2016 #92

we see the tactics hz-xlnc Dec 2016 #95

The Democratic Party is not broken or flawed Gothmog Dec 2016 #98

Nope. When whites become a minority, conservative POC will eventually take over the Republucan jack_krass Dec 2016 #107

This. Thanks for making an excellent point. Beartracks Dec 2016 #133

K&R betsuni Dec 2016 #100

Because it is. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #101

Remember there are people who want to steer the party on different directions. hrmjustin Dec 2016 #102

I'll tackle these one by one. Exilednight Dec 2016 #106

Agenda.. they want to butt themselves in and take Cha Dec 2016 #110

The problem is people who have contributed nothing to build this party thinking they own it. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #114

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #115

People are worried that white males have a diminishing role in the party. nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #117

No, we're concerned that too many white men and the women that love them feel pushed out of theparty Dems to Win Dec 2016 #120

LOL, yeah, hillary said throughout the campaign as did all her surrogates boston bean Dec 2016 #121

One of Hillary's surrogates doesn't think a white person belongs as DNC chair Dems to Win Dec 2016 #125

Wow, your interests must be so different than a minorities huh. What puts you at such odds boston bean Dec 2016 #126

Pasty white skin Dems to Win Dec 2016 #136

They are people who post here daily and their mission is to split and divide us. FSogol Dec 2016 #122

"Haters to the left" BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #123

And lack of voter enthusiasm? guillaumeb Dec 2016 #127

Issue for issue, they are not fatally flawed. The flaw is the CORPORATE DONORS and MONEY yodermon Dec 2016 #128

Democrats don't need to do anything taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #129

This one is easy. Exilednight Dec 2016 #130

Here's why: rainy Dec 2016 #132

Because it isn't just about the Presidency. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #134

You're correct. The Party isn't fatally flawed or falling apart, but it needs to some reflecting. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #135

Maybe because Democrats got their asses kicked at all levels of government in 2016? jalan48 Dec 2016 #138

Think about our massive victory at the polls. Coyotl Dec 2016 #139

What is that graphic supposed to mean? Kotya Dec 2016 #147

Exactly what it says and shows, of course. Coyotl Dec 2016 #148

Because it's been in a long, slow suicide spiral Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #143

The Republican Party is the flawed party Zing Zing Zingbah Dec 2016 #144

'cause.. agenda.. that has nothing to do Cha Dec 2016 #145