2016 Postmortem

rpannier

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23. According to many articlesd I've seen

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 02:25 AM

Dec 2016

A lot of these college educated whites voted for Obama twice and then voted for Trump
You can spin it anyway you like, she didn't get a vote that she ultimately needed, white working class, because the Party was certain we didn't need it
And now we're where we hope that recount can shed some light

I could also point out that many young people in the Sanders camp were first time voters.

There are serious issues at play and it's fine for people to be angry and all that
But, at some point, should the recount come to nothing, people are going to have to accept that she didn't win and there are a lot of small reasons why she didn't. But, to go looking at one single group and blame them is kind of defeating

Examples to refute your point:
Elliot County, Kentucky had voted Democrat for President for almost 100 years (includes Obama twice)- went Trump
NE Minnesota twice Obama - Trump
Union County, IA Obama - Trump (13% swing from 2012)
La Crosse, WI, Rock Island, IL, etc all jumped and went Trump.
These were not Republicans that voted for McCain and Romney, these were areas Obama took and she didn't

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/obama-trump-counties/

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What I have learned about the election on DU [View all] BainsBane Dec 2016 OP

much is true MFM008 Dec 2016 #1

Oh yeah, I was just tried to be taught that.. Cha Dec 2016 #2

DU rec...nt SidDithers Dec 2016 #3

I learned that Elitism was just as bad as racism today. SaschaHM Dec 2016 #4

Let me guess? BainsBane Dec 2016 #6

More Phony Baloney.. "Elitism" seems to be their new buzzword to Cha Dec 2016 #8

Yeah, because a billionaire president with a cabinet of five billionaires BainsBane Dec 2016 #46

Right! It's Hillary and her 65 Million Voters.. forget about the drumpf meister... Cha Dec 2016 #48

Good morning Cha. stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #53

Good Mornin', stonecutter! Cha Dec 2016 #54

I love this meme Gothmog Dec 2016 #90

Yeah, that one kind of blew my mind. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #60

Is there a productive purpose behind this post? KPN Dec 2016 #5

Going for that Guiness book thing, maybe HassleCat Dec 2016 #11

Same purpose as your post. n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #19

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #24

Well, BlueProgressive, if you really believe that about Hillary, you have swallowed the RW lies.... Hekate Dec 2016 #26

Forcing? I dont recall anyone forcing me to vote for her but welcome to the DU cstanleytech Dec 2016 #30

yes ! stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #52

Yes, there is a very valid purpose being served by this thread and the OP Gothmog Dec 2016 #91

I learned that... JSup Dec 2016 #7

I knew awhile back.... quickesst Dec 2016 #9

Dayum I love you Bains. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #10

I love this and bookmarked it for when I get that Opposite World feeling. betsuni Dec 2016 #12

Ha! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #13

*screams* betsuni Dec 2016 #15

Yup. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #16

Yup, lots of new names, but familiar talking points. nt SunSeeker Dec 2016 #20

Correct my dear........................ sheshe2 Dec 2016 #22

Oh yeah Hekate Dec 2016 #28

Pre-election, many Tweets were chatbots in action. Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #89

K&R! DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #14

K & R SunSeeker Dec 2016 #17

Maybe you should take it up with rpannier Dec 2016 #18

These are the same people who have voted for Republicans for decades. pnwmom Dec 2016 #21

According to many articlesd I've seen rpannier Dec 2016 #23

The majority of college educated whites voted for Romney and McCain. pnwmom Dec 2016 #27

And I agree totally with rpannier Dec 2016 #38

There is a lot of back and forth going on. pnwmom Dec 2016 #39

Agreed rpannier Dec 2016 #42

+ 100 mahina Dec 2016 #44

Yep, but it's so much easier to Bernie-bash (or Hillary-bash) bekkilyn Dec 2016 #58

Just a quick addition rpannier Dec 2016 #40

BB, you continue to articulate our anger, our grief, and our truth. Thank you for this. Hekate Dec 2016 #25

I've actually been around since Howard Dean ran and I volunteered for his campaign NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #31

Which is why I check people's sign-up dates when they say something really off the wall ... Hekate Dec 2016 #35

I loved Dean and was bitterly disappointed when he lost... Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #49

Strangely, Dianne Sawyer confessed that, on air. bigmonkey Dec 2016 #86

I learned that the millions of white people who voted for Trump are racists automatically NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #29

"I am not sure I can vote Democratic next time around." Martin Eden Dec 2016 #88

These OPs should start being posted in a brand new specialized Support Group to the left. TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #32

I learned that Trumps coalition is stronger than ours world wide wally Dec 2016 #33

Something the "blame Hillary 100 percent" crowd tends to forget. Trump had a lot of help. Hekate Dec 2016 #36

And she STILL got more votes than he did EffieBlack Dec 2016 #100

Some of the onus for Bernie losing is on Bernie though as he and he alone was the one that made the cstanleytech Dec 2016 #34

I learned that people see and "learn" what they want to see. I propose that the JCanete Dec 2016 #37

I've learned that some people are obsessed with a single topic. progressoid Dec 2016 #41

What about the people who supported Bernie in the primary but supported Hillary in the general, who mahina Dec 2016 #43

They are good Democrats BainsBane Dec 2016 #45

You handled that very nicely, BB. brer cat Dec 2016 #47

Bookmarking! Thanks! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #50

K&R! stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #51

I supported Bernie and wanted him as the nominee but I had no problem transitioning. MadamPresident Dec 2016 #55

Thank you! BainsBane Dec 2016 #56

I wonder how many of the busters didnt vote, or wouldnt have voted otherwise, dionysus Dec 2016 #66

I am stealing Adolph Sniffler. rzemanfl Dec 2016 #76

LOL i saw it on discussionist, i think.... use it as you wish... dionysus Dec 2016 #96

I also supported Bernie and wanted him as the nominee, but transitioned... Raster Dec 2016 #79

ditto CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #102

The primary wars never ended. They were just suppressed. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #57

The primary ended BainsBane Dec 2016 #64

K&R Gothmog Dec 2016 #59

Mic drop! mcar Dec 2016 #61

I see more ppl desperately blaming bernie and supporters instead of dionysus Dec 2016 #62

I think it would be hard to claim some of those factors didn't play a role in the BainsBane Dec 2016 #63

DUers have rehashed and refought primaries since kerry/dean, sadly dionysus Dec 2016 #67

That's unfortunate BainsBane Dec 2016 #70

Agreed dionysus Dec 2016 #95

Me, too. As a Bernie supporter who shifted to HRC, no problem... I have to say the vitriol zonkers Dec 2016 #108

He's more of a dem (fdr era) than a lot of the "official" 3rd way dems out there dionysus Dec 2016 #109

I learned that the party may not want to learn from what happened NRQ891 Dec 2016 #65

You make a number of assumptions BainsBane Dec 2016 #68

Bravo!!! lunamagica Dec 2016 #69

What we've learned: people around here love them some circular firing squads Spider Jerusalem Dec 2016 #71

Many real Democrats do get angry Progressive dog Dec 2016 #72

And who exactly are the real vs unreal Democrats? BainsBane Dec 2016 #80

The real democrats are those who put democracy Progressive dog Dec 2016 #97

Spot on post. n/t duffyduff Dec 2016 #73

I've learned that Bernie is responsible for so many bad things reflection Dec 2016 #74

Popping in briefly just to applaud this post! BooScout Dec 2016 #75

I stopped reading the OP after the first two senteneces Martin Eden Dec 2016 #77

I stopped reading yours too Cary Dec 2016 #78

Too bad; you missed a spot-on and much deserved reprimand Martin Eden Dec 2016 #81

Who made you the judge? Cary Dec 2016 #82

Who made BainsBane the judge? Martin Eden Dec 2016 #83

You're the one who found her guilty, Cary Dec 2016 #85

Sounds an awful lot like you're reprimanding me Martin Eden Dec 2016 #87

Too bad Gothmog Dec 2016 #92

I hear ye... can't stand the haters myself Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #84

Make like Elsa budkin Dec 2016 #93

Clinton now has more than 2.6 million votes more than trump Gothmog Dec 2016 #94

K&R Jamaal510 Dec 2016 #98

Perfect! EffieBlack Dec 2016 #99

"who continue to be angry about the primary, months after the fact." - pot, kettle, black. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #101

no, the primaries were lost ages before bernie actually gave up. the election was lost a month ago La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #103

With such a historic opportunity, to see first "woman in the White House" and her being such brewens Dec 2016 #104

good lord.... mike_c Dec 2016 #105

You must feel gratified BainsBane Dec 2016 #107

Well done Dem2 Dec 2016 #106