2016 Postmortem

Yavin4

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65. Avoiding the truth hurts the cause.

Reply to whopis01 (Reply #61)

Wed Dec 7, 2016, 09:04 PM

Dec 2016

We need to understand and figure out how to get White women to support women for office.

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No You Cant : Why Im Still Crying Over Hillary Clintons Loss. [View all] BainsBane Dec 2016 OP

And never forget. Women are just WhiteTara Dec 2016 #1

So it seems BainsBane Dec 2016 #2

This sheshe2 Dec 2016 #87

Until we stop being 10's lapucelle Dec 2016 #77

Oh trust me, a Pussy is a Pussy WhiteTara Dec 2016 #108

You're probably right. The French have a saying lapucelle Dec 2016 #111

Yep. WhiteTara Dec 2016 #112

I feel let down bravenak Dec 2016 #3

It's been hard BainsBane Dec 2016 #5

I envy you that you are at acceptance. Amimnoch Dec 2016 #23

I've had my moments BainsBane Dec 2016 #38

Acceptance is not the correct word. jack69 Dec 2016 #74

Charles Blow's columns in the new York Times are inspirational!! Look them up! Akamai Dec 2016 #82

You sound like me bravenak Dec 2016 #81

That's a real shame. cwydro Dec 2016 #103

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #137

I am having a hard time handmade34 Dec 2016 #90

I am nowhere near acceptance. lark Dec 2016 #115

Trump is so much worse than Bush BainsBane Dec 2016 #117

I have to totally agree. lark Dec 2016 #119

I was in shock, no one expected this and the fact that people yuiyoshida Dec 2016 #106

I absolutely and truly hate every single person who voted for drumpf. lark Dec 2016 #118

yeh...i am glad I feel safe in yuiyoshida Dec 2016 #120

If it weren't for my parents getting old and frail, I never would have left CA. lark Dec 2016 #128

Yes, I feel the same. More than 50 years fighting this sh*t and it's still has power over us. SharonAnn Dec 2016 #4

What still gets me is that I have NEVER seen a woman in politics spoken to the way he did to her adigal Dec 2016 #6

Yes, it seems both sexes admire powerful men but resent powerful women. SunSeeker Dec 2016 #19

It wasn't the powerful man that they liked. It was the man who talked trash to the Squinch Dec 2016 #20

That anyone would buy into the crazy Pizza story and Clinton death count crap.... bettyellen Dec 2016 #151

Yes, it seems both sexes admire powerful men but resent powerful women. Angry Dragon Dec 2016 #32

Isn't it about time we get over thinking that"going to church" stopbush Dec 2016 #62

There are a few churches jack69 Dec 2016 #70

It is time to call out jack69 Dec 2016 #71

The meaning of Jesus Christ? stopbush Dec 2016 #78

Amen Ligyron Dec 2016 #91

I'm not even a Christian, and I disagree with that. Silver Gaia Dec 2016 #131

Plus 1000 Hekate Dec 2016 #140

Oh wow! Yes to this: Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #7

Men and Women of Color voted for Hillary. Yavin4 Dec 2016 #8

You're relentless with this BainsBane Dec 2016 #10

I'm relentless because it's the truth. Yavin4 Dec 2016 #15

Your claim is the white women's vote decided the election BainsBane Dec 2016 #34

Ironically, if white women had all simply not voted, Hillary would be president progree Dec 2016 #58

That white male statistic really needs to be viewed in comparison to its usual Dem vs Repug number. JudyM Dec 2016 #80

And the white female statistic -- a 9 point, 52-43 margin of Trump over Clinton -- needs to be progree Dec 2016 #92

Some are BainsBane Dec 2016 #95

Your "logic" is baffling. Why would you let white men spooky3 Dec 2016 #54

White women didn't support their own race/gender for president. Instead... Yavin4 Dec 2016 #64

Why do men have any less of an obligation to spooky3 Dec 2016 #67

Why not just direct it to people that voted for Trump whopis01 Dec 2016 #61

Avoiding the truth hurts the cause. Yavin4 Dec 2016 #65

Most of those 51% would likely support a Republican woman for president BainsBane Dec 2016 #96

What are the splits with White women Yavin4 Dec 2016 #99

It wasn't because she was a woman, it was because she was Hillary. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #121

How about looking at what prompts you to call her BainsBane Dec 2016 #126

Maybe it's not me that needs to look in the mirror. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #143

What facts? BainsBane Dec 2016 #145

Yes, I read those policy positions. Same old tired stuff. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #146

So you've bought into the trendy and popular, yet unsupported spins by the McCarthyites as well? LanternWaste Dec 2016 #130

No, I bought into the truth. I watche her campaign. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #142

she is the most popular woman in the world until mopinko Dec 2016 #9

Excellent point. People are forgetting how popular she was before she ran for president StevieM Dec 2016 #11

Even after her first run BainsBane Dec 2016 #12

That was what I was referring to. HRC finished up as Secretary of State with sky high job approval StevieM Dec 2016 #18

Yes, I remember that. Media cooperated at that time--I remember plenty BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #110

same thing happened when she ran for senate. mopinko Dec 2016 #16

I think we know who to thank for all the negatives about Hillary. leftofcool Dec 2016 #40

honestly, it is a long list. mopinko Dec 2016 #50

The world doesnt much matter quakerboy Dec 2016 #84

true but mopinko Dec 2016 #104

Negative press came first, at a guess quakerboy Dec 2016 #144

the arkansas project came first. mopinko Dec 2016 #149

Yup quakerboy Dec 2016 #152

Retired politicians are popular, including men. NT Eric J in MN Dec 2016 #100

I still cry. A couple times a week. trueblue2007 Dec 2016 #13

This... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #14

remember where hate springs from barbtries Dec 2016 #29

Thanks for this, barbtries. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #30

of course sheshe2 barbtries Dec 2016 #35

YES! MontanaMama Dec 2016 #68

Thank you, BB.. Cha Dec 2016 #17

I honestly haven't had much time to process all the emotions. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #21

I haven't really cried BainsBane Dec 2016 #41

I love this piece ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #22

i'm still grieving. hillary spent her DesertFlower Dec 2016 #24

I'm still grieving too oldtime dfl_er Dec 2016 #25

I am not a woman but I also took this loss personally Gothmog Dec 2016 #26

. BainsBane Dec 2016 #27

i'm hoping that when we go march in DC on 21 Jan, barbtries Dec 2016 #33

I am the mother of two sons, Gothmog mcar Dec 2016 #57

Thank you. Silver Gaia Dec 2016 #132

Pantsuit Nation has saved me emotionally ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #28

Pantsuit Nation is fantastic BainsBane Dec 2016 #31

Yeah the nonsense that gets posted here is nothing like the reality ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #42

Everytime I look at her I cry and say what could have been. hrmjustin Dec 2016 #36

I will never forget and I will never BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #37

the bar was higher for Hillary than all previous candidates combined Skittles Dec 2016 #39

I still cry . . . a little every day. I just can't believe that people I know voted for that orange Liberal In Red State Dec 2016 #43

Thank you, BB. brer cat Dec 2016 #44

Male, here. And this post hits me hard. byronius Dec 2016 #45

I have not cried much since the first week, because I have no one to cry with. I'll try the 101... Hekate Dec 2016 #46

Thank you for sharing this, Hekate. pnwmom Dec 2016 #49

I have similar stories. Almost all the women I have known have told me of abuse and demigoddess Dec 2016 #53

I think of the second debate BainsBane Dec 2016 #98

K&R tallahasseedem Dec 2016 #47

Yes. Because it means that even the most despicable, least qualified, vilest pnwmom Dec 2016 #48

How come other countries can have female leaders, but not us? Ghost OF Trotsky Dec 2016 #51

The loss will never be regained; the injury will never heal. NBachers Dec 2016 #52

It hits me like that too mcar Dec 2016 #55

There certainly was sexism and misogyny tenisfin Dec 2016 #56

It has been said that depression is anger turned inward. apcalc Dec 2016 #59

And yet, the fascist-elect won with the votes of a lot of Republican women??? RiverStone Dec 2016 #60

I know there are women in my family who voted for him who are manipulated by FOX News. SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2016 #69

any Woman? rtracey Dec 2016 #94

Thank you for this thread fallrey Dec 2016 #63

It really has BainsBane Dec 2016 #86

How many men out there never grew up? SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2016 #66

a heartsick k and r for the truth. niyad Dec 2016 #72

I haven't fully processed everything. JHan Dec 2016 #73

... shenmue Dec 2016 #75

The glass ceiling is now a titanium lid. A big Russian bear sitting on top robbedvoter Dec 2016 #76

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #79

That's a pretty heavy decision to make when you're feeling the raw emotions of a tough election. JudyM Dec 2016 #83

. BainsBane Dec 2016 #88

I am so stunned that this happened... 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #85

I know the feeling. Took me 1 week to squeeze a few tears robbedvoter Dec 2016 #89

I am not rtracey Dec 2016 #93

I empathize with feeling jimlup Dec 2016 #97

As much as you believe the feelings of thousands, millions of women are wrong BainsBane Dec 2016 #102

Good lord Kolesar Dec 2016 #107

Didn't claim to be jimlup Dec 2016 #109

Your views and experience differ from those of the BainsBane Dec 2016 #124

I agree that gender and race jimlup Dec 2016 #125

So Teachout and Feingold as well as polls indicating terrorism and immigration don't matter? bettyellen Dec 2016 #129

Stay strong! sfwriter Dec 2016 #101

I'm sorry she lost BainsBane GummyBearz Dec 2016 #105

I was happy about my candidate's win. BainsBane Dec 2016 #114

I think you misread my post GummyBearz Dec 2016 #134

Really? I would take a primary loss to this one a million times over kcr Dec 2016 #116

That's something, isn't it? BainsBane Dec 2016 #122

I didn't say any of that GummyBearz Dec 2016 #135

Re: Concerning Men StarzGuy Dec 2016 #113

I don't think sexism and misogyny BainsBane Dec 2016 #123

That's how I feel...like I was slapped in the face. lunamagica Dec 2016 #127

Agreed, but the pioneers pay the price so that their successors will kick the barriers down. CBHagman Dec 2016 #133

Are there any hard data about the impact of the candidates' genders? Jim Lane Dec 2016 #136

That you equate Clinton's email BainsBane Dec 2016 #138

I absolutely do not equate them. Jim Lane Dec 2016 #139

Sorry Jim Lane but you do argue a false equivalency fallrey Dec 2016 #141

Very true BainsBane Dec 2016 #148

The key question is how many votes were SHIFTED. Jim Lane Dec 2016 #150

I think you are discounting the effect of the media handling of Clinton's campaign fallrey Dec 2016 #154

I feel frustrated that again words are being put in my mouth (keyboard) Jim Lane Dec 2016 #155

Last reply on this fallrey Dec 2016 #156

I'll answer your question Jim Lane Dec 2016 #157

I didn't say you wanted to abandon aboriton rights BainsBane Dec 2016 #147

On the night of the election frazzled Dec 2016 #153