2016 Postmortem

NoGoodNamesLeft

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82. The economy includes TRADE and JOBS, and Clinton LOST those issues in the Rust Belt

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 08:15 PM

Dec 2016

And THAT is how Trump won.

"Trump's position on trade seems to have been key to his victory in the Rust Belt states. Per CNN:

Half of Michigan's electorate feel trade takes away jobs, and these folks supported Trump by a 57% to 36% split. The 31% who think it creates jobs backed Clinton by a 65% to 31% margin.

In Ohio, 47% of voters say trade hurts workers, and they lined up for Trump by a more than 2-to-1 margin. The 46% who say it creates jobs or has no effect strongly backed Clinton.

And in Pennsylvania, 53% of the electorate agree that trade is bad for jobs. Some 62% supported Trump, while 34% backed Clinton. Among the 35% who feel trade is a job creator, Clinton was the favored candidate by more than a 2-to-1 margin.

In other words, free traders have a lot of work to do in order to win over the Rust Belt."

http://www.dailywire.com/news/10643/9-important-facts-final-exit-polls-aaron-bandler

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You can't win elections if you don't grow up and stop hating voters [View all] hellofromreddit Dec 2016 OP

👌 blue cat Dec 2016 #1

I will decide who I hate and who I don't thank you. leftofcool Dec 2016 #2

Are they planning to stop hating liberals, Muslims, transgenders, gays, feminists, refugees, etc? ck4829 Dec 2016 #3

The Trump voters I know don't hate those people. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #4

Huh. Wish I had YOUR Trump voters around me instead of the ones I actually do. Pholus Dec 2016 #5

No the Democrats need to learn how to be gopiscrap Dec 2016 #23

Said similar stuff back in 2002, I was wrong. Pholus Dec 2016 #47

You're dealing with a much better class of Trump voters than the rest of us are. Paladin Dec 2016 #6

Why were they friends of yours in the first place? MichMan Dec 2016 #10

some folks are pretty much apolitical... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #17

The popular vote doesn't count. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #12

We can lose elections and be metaphorically destroyed ck4829 Dec 2016 #18

Yes, they do... SidDithers Dec 2016 #21

Oh? Why didn't you warn everybody about Clinton's impending loss before it happened? hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #46

Because I didn't believe that so many voters were racist and sexist assholes...nt SidDithers Dec 2016 #49

95% of Trump voters hate Obama (according to PPP) sound like you know the other 5%? LOL bettyellen Dec 2016 #28

Could it be that because you're a white liberal? Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #76

Or a skirt. Always funny when white guys think they'll sniff out racism and sexism better than bettyellen Dec 2016 #91

The ones I know don't hate anyone either, and certainly aren't racists NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #84

well we could DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #103

While it still boggles my mind to see the attitude and hate of the most rabid Trump supporters, Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #7

And can both feel sorry for them and not want them in my party EffieBlack Dec 2016 #11

Totally with you on that one! Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #14

I say FUCK any Trump supporter gopiscrap Dec 2016 #24

There's a distinction between what politicians should say, and what the truth is. DanTex Dec 2016 #8

About the deplorable thing Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #77

Trump hated a lot of voters. Loud and Proud about it for nearly a year. well... what say you now! boston bean Dec 2016 #9

Who is your role model? hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #13

And that's the biggest reason he got votes JI7 Dec 2016 #16

fuck racist deplorables JI7 Dec 2016 #15

They are racist MFM008 Dec 2016 #19

well said gopiscrap Dec 2016 #25

Ty MFM008 Dec 2016 #26

ur welcome! gopiscrap Dec 2016 #67

... GummyBearz Dec 2016 #48

They've just enrolled in Trump University. They have an education coming. They won't be Squinch Dec 2016 #56

I notice you have His Holiness as your avatar. Coventina Dec 2016 #20

There is plenty of space between condoning behavior and hatred. SpareribSP Dec 2016 #22

Well, I outright reject the OP's premise that Clinton's campaign "ginned up hatred." Coventina Dec 2016 #27

I think this OP is trying to gin up hatred. bettyellen Dec 2016 #30

Agreed. n/t Coventina Dec 2016 #33

Not hating people right back isn't the equivalent of condoning their failings. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #37

I am not interested in "talking Buddha" with you, since you apparently don't know anything about Coventina Dec 2016 #38

+1 zappaman Dec 2016 #42

I see a lot of accusations there. Did you perhaps stereotype me? hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #44

You are adorable. I never said what YOU are accusing me of saying. Coventina Dec 2016 #45

You'd like us to kiss the asses of selfish bigots? I'm guessing your neither a woman or POC and its bettyellen Dec 2016 #29

Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that. SpareribSP Dec 2016 #31

Show me where Trump voters have been subjected to hatred. Please, I'd love to know. Coventina Dec 2016 #36

How about SpareribSP Dec 2016 #41

If we're measuring mean posts on the internet, I would advise you check SPLC. Coventina Dec 2016 #43

SPLC buried 2000 reports of anti-Trump hate. TupperHappy Dec 2016 #65

I can't find a reputable source for this? Appears to be made up by RW media. bettyellen Dec 2016 #72

Can you substantiate your claims, lest you be accused of just making it all up? synergie Dec 2016 #80

Along these lines, here's some food for thought Dems to Win Dec 2016 #51

Great article! SpareribSP Dec 2016 #54

You have to admit it, something was mighty queer about this election UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #32

Having grown up in and currently living in red country... Docreed2003 Dec 2016 #34

+1 hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #60

Hillary lost the electoral college (presumably) because... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #35

I agree 100% SomethingNew Dec 2016 #39

Pointing fingers and shouting 'Racist!" may feel good, but it sure doesn't win votes Dems to Win Dec 2016 #53

You can't win elections if you don't grow up and stop hating voters NCTraveler Dec 2016 #40

Bad premise. They hate voters, and they won. unitedwethrive Dec 2016 #50

Deplorable dumbasses have to learn where their bread is buttered. nt oasis Dec 2016 #52

This is a fallacy from start to finish. Squinch Dec 2016 #55

+100 I'm with you! I cannot believe the person who wrote the OP has the nerve to say skylucy Dec 2016 #58

You know I didn't write the OP, right? It's a little confusing the way you worded that. Squinch Dec 2016 #69

I'm not sure why I worded my response that way! It is confusing. I will try to edit. skylucy Dec 2016 #117

No problem at all! I just didn't want you to associate me with that drivel. Squinch Dec 2016 #120

Wow. Your reply IS a fallacy from start to finish! hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #81

I am the voice of the Democratic party? Thanks! I had no idea I had such power. Squinch Dec 2016 #109

"The imbeciles in the country rose to the challenge." NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #86

Their economic distress and unresponsive government result in decades of local Republican rule LonePirate Dec 2016 #57

Yes. Their economic distress is the result of THEIR OWN VOTING CHOICES! Squinch Dec 2016 #70

No, Real Democrats need to get off their asses and VOTE!!!!! calguy Dec 2016 #59

No, No, No! Not going to normalize Trump nor the people who voted for him. Fla Dem Dec 2016 #61

Economy had NOTHING to do with it. It was all about the "illegals," the Muslims, the blacks, duffyduff Dec 2016 #64

This goes to some of what I've been feeling post-election. lovemydog Dec 2016 #62

That worked so well for President Obama. He tried playing nice and listen to the Republicans. Fla Dem Dec 2016 #66

I'm talking about personal interactions lovemydog Dec 2016 #71

You have no clue what happened in this election. duffyduff Dec 2016 #63

Sure I do. Democrats gave it to Trump. Practically in a walk. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #75

You can't win elections if you don't support the candidate ucrdem Dec 2016 #68

I wish the title was true NobodyHere Dec 2016 #73

Trump didn't hate on voters. Not exactly, anyway. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #79

So he encouraged rally goers to beat protesters in a loving way? bettyellen Dec 2016 #89

Obviously not what I said. All the text is there, feel free to reread as many times as you need. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #92

The text ignores calling Mexicans rapists, calling for women to be punished for abortion and bettyellen Dec 2016 #97

For the millionth time, Clinton won among those for whom the economy is the top issue. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #74

The economy includes TRADE and JOBS, and Clinton LOST those issues in the Rust Belt NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #82

They also believe that unemployment rose under Obama BainsBane Dec 2016 #88

NO ONE SAID THEY MATTER MORE for CHRIST SAKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #93

Are you fucking kidding? BainsBane Dec 2016 #95

Since when is economic justice not party of social justice? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #100

Not only are they Democratic values BainsBane Dec 2016 #116

Not to mention Trump is a free trader. Trump's businesses send jobs overseas. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #101

Exactly BainsBane Dec 2016 #112

Uh, racism is a huge deal in northern states. Huge! Garrett78 Dec 2016 #96

Those previously reliably BLUE states full of Democrats are all racists now? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #102

You don't see a lot of racism because you don't see a lot of POC. bettyellen Dec 2016 #108

That's why the first daylight KKK parade took place in Main. Revanchist Dec 2016 #123

Do you mean Maine? My home state ironically. NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #124

You're wasting your breath...they are blind to reality NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #78

So the polls that said voters preferred HRC on economics should be ignored in favor of what county bettyellen Dec 2016 #85

The Rust Belt...you know, those shoulda been blue states Trump won NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #94

Has CNN earned your trust lately? They present the narrative they planned to before they arrive in bettyellen Dec 2016 #113

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #90

I'm normally like that, but I've had it with this nonsense NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #99

No, you're supposed to hate Democratic voters BainsBane Dec 2016 #83

best post I've read this year Locrian Dec 2016 #87

There are people that would never dream of passing by a fellow human being who is suffering baldguy Dec 2016 #98

You're right, but... hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #104

Trump represents an ideology that kills people. The tools to be used are his supporters. baldguy Dec 2016 #105

How refreshing to read a post like this that is so logical, so constructive, and so blatantly true mtnsnake Dec 2016 #106

What I WANT to say would get me banned resistance2016 Dec 2016 #107

I am especially concerned about the stuff being thrown at the younger crowd. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #110

I work with a Trump voter too. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #111

Another lecture about how bad Democrats are. If I wanted someone to nag me all the time betsuni Dec 2016 #114

It seems to me the first thing to do would be try and appeal to the Gary Johnson voters. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #115

Izzat so, hellofromreddit? Hekate Dec 2016 #118

Funny you should say that, cuz that's exactly what Trump did. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #119

I beg your pardon, but with enough money you can, and here we are. Orsino Dec 2016 #121

Excellent post. Thank you. George Eliot Dec 2016 #122