2016 Postmortem

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72. Actually there was nothing in the original set up about people voting for the EC

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 05:05 AM

Dec 2016

and, in fact, for quite a few years, many states had their state legislatures select the electors, not a popular vote.

Around the time of the first presidential election, the non-slave population was around 2.4 million. Less than 45,000 votes were cast in the first presidential election.

It was even more lopsided in the second presidential election, in 1792: fewer than half the states chose electors by popular vote and the total number of popular votes cast was less than 30,000.

Even as late as 1828, several states were selecting electors by means other than statewide popular vote.

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Ex-CIA operative: We may need a new vote [View all] ehrnst Dec 2016 OP

I listened to him say that as well. triron Dec 2016 #1

Doesn't matter what European democracies would do. Kotya Dec 2016 #6

Or the EC can do their ethical duty and refuse to approve him. n/t duffyduff Dec 2016 #9

Yes, they can. Kotya Dec 2016 #11

That is because the EC is made up of a bunch of stupid partisans. duffyduff Dec 2016 #13

Actually, that is exactly what I am counting on, the meteor that is still_one Dec 2016 #80

Why are you so determined he becomes president? libtodeath Dec 2016 #17

Don't confuse my understanding of how the Constitution works Kotya Dec 2016 #19

Have we ever been in this situation before with the constitution silent on what to do? libtodeath Dec 2016 #21

The Constitution is not silent on what to do. Kotya Dec 2016 #23

Glad you are happy to surrender libtodeath Dec 2016 #24

And now we see why treestar Dec 2016 #71

Surrendering the constitution by somehow having a do over is not an option. longship Dec 2016 #79

And yet it wasn't just DNC emails now was it? leftofcool Dec 2016 #26

What else was hacked, and how? Exilednight Dec 2016 #55

I just re-read the WP article and as far as I can tell, Kotya Dec 2016 #62

NYT says RNC hacked but nothing released yet Justice Dec 2016 #83

How did I lnow MFM008 Dec 2016 #27

Bernie Busters, Republicans, and Russia Charles Bukowski Dec 2016 #54

Exactly. That is coming through in the comments Justice Dec 2016 #82

No, we have not been in this situation before... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2016 #35

The original setup was people voted for people to vote for people.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #31

Actually there was nothing in the original set up about people voting for the EC onenote Dec 2016 #72

You also originally had to be a wealthy land owner.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #84

and not a slave. and male. onenote Dec 2016 #85

Yes there are. The president can impose martial law. Maraya1969 Dec 2016 #40

I think that needs to happen triron Dec 2016 #42

agreed; a foreign power is attempting to hijack our very democracy/government. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #69

The SCOTUS has described a very limited set of circumstances where that could happen onenote Dec 2016 #73

Let's do it. democratisphere Dec 2016 #2

Indulge me, please. Kotya Dec 2016 #7

High level meetings bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #30

Forget it. duffyduff Dec 2016 #10

Yes, to the person who won the most electoral votes. Kotya Dec 2016 #14

Nope. The person who got the popular vote should be in because those T states are under suspicion. duffyduff Dec 2016 #16

We do need a new vote, without trasonous interference from the Russian-Republican cabal Achilleaze Dec 2016 #3

BINGO !!! Its not a matter of HOW MUCH they interfered that's a false bar. Its a matter of IF uponit7771 Dec 2016 #4

This had the appearance of an election but as it turns out the fix was in. A fix is not an election. AnotherMother4Peace Dec 2016 #5

Perhaps we should redo the Democratic primary as well NobodyHere Dec 2016 #50

Ouch! Kotya Dec 2016 #56

Did this stupid ass response really cause you pain? nt AnotherMother4Peace Dec 2016 #63

We don't need a new vote. duffyduff Dec 2016 #8

States like California and New York could hold referendums on recognizing Trump's authority KittyWampus Dec 2016 #12

Yep. I don't think secession is beyond the realm of possibility. duffyduff Dec 2016 #15

There should be a petition to the scotus to put a moritorium on the EC vote. libtodeath Dec 2016 #18

Which would be rejected 8-0. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #33

You thik that really? libtodeath Dec 2016 #37

Absolutely. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #38

I hope you are wrong because if not hell on earth is on us. libtodeath Dec 2016 #39

Don't they teach the 'civil war' thing in schools anymore? n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #51

Yes, they do. We won, the Industrialists bought up the South and over time KittyWampus Dec 2016 #86

Well it would be nice if the rest of the US didn't have to fight California and New York... PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #87

good idea; he is illegitimate. end of story. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #70

I'm not sure that there is any kind of legal or constitutional mechanism for holding another totodeinhere Dec 2016 #20

If new elections are called Qutzupalotl Dec 2016 #22

I'd be okay with that... Farmgirl1961 Dec 2016 #52

At the very LEAST, this will send Orange Rectum over the edge. . . . BigDemVoter Dec 2016 #25

Just elect Hillary Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #28

Yes, we should start the process that the constitution has for hughee99 Dec 2016 #29

Well Biden has hinted he might run in the "do-over". n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #34

"As soon as possible" means Tuesday, November 3rd, 2020. Kotya Dec 2016 #57

Exactly. People are rightly concerned about trump, hughee99 Dec 2016 #59

Have a new election triron Dec 2016 #60

And? I don't think judicial rulings in foreign countries hughee99 Dec 2016 #61

Won't happen AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #32

If they oppose the infrastructure spending bill they could just not pass it. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #36

not that simple AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #47

If they don't have enough votes to stop the spending bill they aren't going to have enough votes... PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #48

The only way the House could elect Ryan as President onenote Dec 2016 #74

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #41

The "revolution" needs to be peaceful and realistic. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #43

Other nations have done it. triron Dec 2016 #44

most recently Austria triron Dec 2016 #49

Other nations do lots of stuff. We follow our Constitution. onenote Dec 2016 #75

What if we can prove that the FBI interfered with the election? (eom) StevieM Dec 2016 #45

Between now and a week from Monday? onenote Dec 2016 #76

Okay let us make a deal, CIA release all dirty secrets and come clean. Rex Dec 2016 #46

Martial law? HoneyBadgerDontCare Dec 2016 #53

See post #73 onenote Dec 2016 #77

knr triron Dec 2016 #58

knr triron Dec 2016 #64

knr triron Dec 2016 #65

This election was won because of Doreen Dec 2016 #66

yep. Connect the dots. triron Dec 2016 #68

Good. ooky Dec 2016 #67

trump has more to fear zippythepinhead Dec 2016 #78

There will be no new vote dagnuguy Dec 2016 #81