2016 Postmortem

JTFrog

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322. Her favorability ratings were higher until she started getting attacked from both sides for ffs.

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 01:47 PM

Dec 2016

How do you argue she was a bad candidate when her net favorable was higher than his until he joined in with the nasty bullshit attacks against her. But hey, that revolution worked wonders didn't it?

http://www.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/188957/voting-begins-sanders-popular-clinton-dems.aspx?g_source=bernie%20sanders&g_medium=search&g_campaign=tiles

http://www.gallup.com/poll/193913/clinton-image-lowest-point-two-decades.aspx?g_source=Hillary%20Clinton&g_medium=search&g_campaign=tiles

And notice when her approval ratings actually take a dump. The manufactured bullshit from the right wouldn't carry so much weight if we didn't have a split party willing to use any negative (including right wing) sources out there to bash our own just because they weren't winning the primary.

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BOG kind of perspective? JTFrog Dec 2016 #247

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Which is different than the BOG approach zipplewrath Dec 2016 #317

No, what lost the election was the Bernie or Busters and the Bern it Downers R B Garr Dec 2016 #318

And all the other races we lost zipplewrath Dec 2016 #321

I notice you say nothing about gerrymandering or voter supression R B Garr Dec 2016 #323

Ok, you won't like it, but you are wrong. JTFrog Dec 2016 #319

Proof zipplewrath Dec 2016 #320

Her favorability ratings were higher until she started getting attacked from both sides for ffs. JTFrog Dec 2016 #322

Those were pretty dismal numbers zipplewrath Dec 2016 #324

So who did we have with better numbers? Her numbers were better than Bernie's. JTFrog Dec 2016 #325

Proof zipplewrath Dec 2016 #327

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... mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #86

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... mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #123

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... mcar Dec 2016 #233

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