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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: A word of advice about controlling the Democratic Party message [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)40. So, the premise I was responding to was basically "if your ideas are so hot prove it
by getting elected on them." My statement was that that would not be an effective gauge of whether or not the ideas were hot, or even whether they appealed to the people, because there are gatekeepers that are the funders of campaigns.
I never did, nor would I, make the argument that people should not do what BainesBane or you are suggesting. We absolutely need to do that, but the reasons implicit in the post seem to be for the purposes of giving cause to dismiss any ideas that can't survive our political process as it stands, giving no consideration for the implicit biases within that system that could make an idea DOA.
You have effectively told me that people running for office have to craft a message that appeals across a spectrum, which is not something I knew I was calling into question. The problem is, and you only keep reinforcing it post after post, that one of those hurdles are the people with the purse strings.
You keep saying I'm wrong and then you keep showing me how I'm right. "Major donors are looking at the message and the elect-ability." The operative wording here is MAJOR DONORS, who are making a judgement about a message according to their sensibilities. I know that organizations such as labor contribute to campaigns, but these are very politically complicated decisions...its always better to support the candidate you think is most likely to win, because you kind of need them to remember you should they get into office, and fondly at that.
This is the system we have. Again, no bones with that assessment. I'll just repeat what I said at the beginning incase it got lost in the deluge. Because of that gatekeeping capacity, a platform that doesn't end up gaining traction can not simply be said to be unappealing to the public. That is not a fair or reasonable metric to impose.
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"Clearly you don't sit down with those you disagree with." Are you referencing the poster?
Eleanors38
Dec 2016
#9
Unfortunately some want to control the Democratic Party message from the outside.
George II
Dec 2016
#7
That is not an accurate gauge of whether a message can resonate with people. Just running and tyring
JCanete
Dec 2016
#10
Winning with our current party is fan-fiction that our leaders keep regurgitating and fawning over.
JCanete
Dec 2016
#23
How can you disagree with my analysis and then say if your campaign resonates, donors will
JCanete
Dec 2016
#21
So, the premise I was responding to was basically "if your ideas are so hot prove it
JCanete
Dec 2016
#40
sad and wrong... your words are the things I was saying were reinforcing my argument. Not that I
JCanete
Dec 2016
#46
now you're basically saying that in the "real world" donors don't give a shit about policy, just
JCanete
Dec 2016
#55
Where I agree with you is that refighting the primary is pointless, and that energy spent
JCanete
Dec 2016
#27
That recurring theme about rhetoric versus policy--excuse me for being cute--is rhetoric.
JCanete
Dec 2016
#41
but that is nothing compared to the megaphone that went out over the corporate media from
JCanete
Dec 2016
#47
okay, I see, you're not responding to what I'm posting, just to a preconceived notion you already
JCanete
Dec 2016
#54
Except that I didn't say populist rhetoric was good just cuz it feels good to hear it.
JCanete
Dec 2016
#48
Well that's not exactly fair. He's a Presidential Candidate. He could have said "this is the only
JCanete
Dec 2016
#50
Another way is for everyone to call their Democratic congressmen, lots of them, and OFTEN
mtnsnake
Dec 2016
#20
Do you honestly think that tons of people here are going to follow your advice
mtnsnake
Dec 2016
#30
I would encourage those that aren't the type to run to still get involved and proactively seek good
think
Dec 2016
#25
A grad student I talked with today told me my generation was at fault.
redstatebluegirl
Dec 2016
#29