2016 Postmortem

BobbyDrake

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51. "You keep blaming them - yeah that's somehow going to persuade them to like us lol"

Wed Dec 14, 2016, 12:46 PM

Dec 2016

The side who began the primary by calling anyone not for Bernie a "neoliberal corporate shill" doesn't get to lecture anyone else about positive outreach.

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The fringe left problem [View all] liquid diamond Dec 2016 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author duffyduff Dec 2016 #1

There aren't enough of them out there to worry about. duffyduff Dec 2016 #2

Exactly HassleCat Dec 2016 #66

Nearly half the party wanted Bernie. TDale313 Dec 2016 #3

Bernie wouldn't have won anything outside of Vermont. duffyduff Dec 2016 #4

"The BoBs were strictly a fringe minority. They aren't worth bothering with." The OP disagrees. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #5

The OP is wrong on that score. duffyduff Dec 2016 #7

We gained seats in the House and in the US Senate. duffyduff Dec 2016 #6

While I don't really agree with the OP, I must point out that the Dem Primary wasn't close. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #10

Bernie for 2020! Joe941 Dec 2016 #11

NO Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #77

You are discriminating on age - just as bad as race. Joe941 Dec 2016 #88

That is not true...I want to win. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #89

Employers might say... Joe941 Dec 2016 #92

Nearly half is not more than half. Clinton won. Sanders lost. baldguy Dec 2016 #24

Nope. Hillary won Dems almost 2::1, only when you add Indies does it get close.... bettyellen Dec 2016 #38

You are peddling false information. No, not half of the party wanted Sanders. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #46

Nope, - that's just plain wrong CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #78

More than half wanted Hillary. WhiteTara Dec 2016 #85

No, that just doesn't follow. TDale313 Dec 2016 #94

3.8 million fewer votes BainsBane Dec 2016 #86

Thank you liquid diamond Dec 2016 #8

Many of the Bernie supporters were not even Democrats; just like Bernie asuhornets Dec 2016 #9

My old boss once liquid diamond Dec 2016 #12

They act as if Hillary Clinton personally showed up at their homes and insulted them to their face. asuhornets Dec 2016 #13

Agreed. liquid diamond Dec 2016 #14

And yet, they were willing to vote for Democratic Party ideals in the hands of... TCJ70 Dec 2016 #16

She lost they got what they wanted. Many of them did not vote for her...nt asuhornets Dec 2016 #17

Thank you for the short summary of the RW propaganda used against the Clinton campaign. baldguy Dec 2016 #25

Tell me which part of what I wrote is a lie? TCJ70 Dec 2016 #31

You think propaganda needs be be a lie? baldguy Dec 2016 #33

Small facts...what a joke. TCJ70 Dec 2016 #35

Therefore Clinton is untrustworthy - we get it. Sanders supporters have been shoveling it for a year baldguy Dec 2016 #36

When you say "honest broker," are you really referring to the person BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #30

I've always thought he should have released his tax returns... TCJ70 Dec 2016 #32

He said he would release them, repeatedly, and then ran out the clock. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #39

That chair was about to be thrown by a drunk bro and that whole incident was ugly -- bettyellen Dec 2016 #42

Saw it with your own eyes? TCJ70 Dec 2016 #45

That may be true, but here's the thing . . . markpkessinger Dec 2016 #50

That is not true. Bernie did not appeal to African-Americans or Latinos voters. In both cases asuhornets Dec 2016 #74

Great OP. I won't forgive these f'ers for helping elect Trump. We're posting w/ some* of them now. grossproffit Dec 2016 #15

They are worse liquid diamond Dec 2016 #19

I can't even read that trash. They think they are so high and mighty over there. TrekLuver Dec 2016 #22

Do you think there is any legitimate reason why a liberal would not have wanted el_bryanto Dec 2016 #18

You do know that the Hillary supporters did exactly the same thing in 2008 Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #20

Exactly. The OP would do well to think about this. Pholus Dec 2016 #27

The fringe left needs to understand that the country is certainly not ready for very progressive TrekLuver Dec 2016 #21

The election liquid diamond Dec 2016 #53

The "fringe left" TSIAS Dec 2016 #59

Yea, who needs clean air/water, good education, saftey nets for our elders? Nictuku Dec 2016 #62

Seriously? kentuck Dec 2016 #23

If you think Bernie and his supporters are "the fringe left"...... Coventina Dec 2016 #26

Exactly. The "fringe left", e.g., Trotskyites, don't believe in elections and therefore do DonViejo Dec 2016 #28

I guess "The Nation" is fringe left now. Coventina Dec 2016 #49

What? Did I say that or, even imply that?... DonViejo Dec 2016 #54

Sorry! I was actually agreeing with you! About the silliness of defining "fringe left" as Coventina Dec 2016 #56

Ah! We're in agreement... DonViejo Dec 2016 #63

Agree completely. Anyone who thinks Bernie or his supporters are "fringe left" is either vastly Coventina Dec 2016 #67

I guess this is the new framing for the same old made-up Bernie-bashing. Orsino Dec 2016 #29

This post might be the biggest steaming pile of BS ever deposited on DU... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #34

The "heart and soul" of a party doesn't throw a tantrum and threaten to go independent BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #40

Millennials overwhelmingly identify as Independent Arazi Dec 2016 #37

The difference there is that when Obama reached out to Clinton's voters, we listened. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #41

Yep- such was the misogyny that her policies and statements are totally unknown to most of those who bettyellen Dec 2016 #43

Then prepare to not gain them as Democratic voters Arazi Dec 2016 #44

"You keep blaming them - yeah that's somehow going to persuade them to like us lol" BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #51

Ah, ok. I get it. You're not really interested in dialogue Arazi Dec 2016 #55

Right, because exposing how progressives don't even practice the outreach they preach BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #61

Whatever Arazi Dec 2016 #69

Yea, the repeat replies really do a good job conveying your disinterest. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #70

The vast majority of "independents" are party loyalists who just like the term "independent." Garrett78 Dec 2016 #47

Yup, and we want them to join us Arazi Dec 2016 #52

My point, though, is you're making too much of the whole "independent" thing. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #64

young people often identify as idependent before they pick a party La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #48

Yup and we want them to pick us Arazi Dec 2016 #57

people become reliable dems when they live through a GOP administration La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #60

Maybe. But outreach will also work Arazi Dec 2016 #65

there is a reason third party votes are highest after 2 consecutive dem terms La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #68

That's not true.Iirc, 2000 had some small % of 3rd Party votes Arazi Dec 2016 #72

You are expecting them... tonedevil Dec 2016 #71

i am expecting them to realize how wrong they are. nt La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #73

Good luck with that /nt tonedevil Dec 2016 #75

If they remain 'independent' than they will reap the negative nconsequences ... Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #82

I think Democrats should stop running 'Republican Lite' candidates. immoderate Dec 2016 #58

If you are calling HIllary a Reaganite...you have crossed the line in think. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #79

Bernie would have beat Trump. Joe941 Dec 2016 #76

Bernie was not cheat out of anything...he did not get enough people to vote for him...so stop saying Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #80

The media shares a huge blame in that. Joe941 Dec 2016 #83

Does it matter...it was not cheating is the point...the idea that the DNC Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #91

I liked Bernie a lot, but NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #84

He would have lost....there was a reason they wanted him. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #90

That's what we thought about Trump. azmom Dec 2016 #98

And right there is the problem BainsBane Dec 2016 #87

Seriously, Melania... TeeYiYi Dec 2016 #81

What a joke the "fringe" left rainy Dec 2016 #93

Centrists are a poison to the Democratic Party. Rex Dec 2016 #97

You can stop this from happening in the future bowens43 Dec 2016 #95

So HRC lost the popular vote? I missed that part. Rex Dec 2016 #96