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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Kos does the 2016 Post-Mortem exactly wrong. [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)7. Ultimately people make mistakes. All the time. Actually, I thought we were the party that said
we aren't going to stop loving people when they've made mistakes. I thought we were the party that believed in rehabilitation of prisoners for instance, even those who have committed horrible acts.
I thought we were the party that recognized society's role in human behaviors. Instead, everybody is personally 100% responsible for what they do right, like when a teen out of high-school who knows shit about finances and interest rates, etc. is offered a credit card by big banks. Fuck the kid. He made his own bed. Like when people who see no alternative get into further debt by using payday loans. "What are you people stupid? You can go fuck yourselves too."
People make mistakes because they don't understand things about the world, and you think they should be held highly accountable for that ignorance, which is the result of the systematic dumbing down of the American people from education to media, all in the service of selling them on one thing or another that is going to make somebody a buck.
Villainizing or disposing of people because they are "stupid" is what people on the right do so easily. I hate to see that kind of thing in our circles.
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wow, fucking a. That really is horrible optics, and makes my stomach a little ill. nt
JCanete
Dec 2016
#1
He got it right in my opinion. They voted for tRump-this is what they get for their vote..
asuhornets
Dec 2016
#2
The people that you want Democrats to appeal to would not vote for a Democrat
asuhornets
Dec 2016
#14
I'm not talking about appealing to them as voters...I'm talking about appealing to them as humans
JCanete
Dec 2016
#15
Your words: If they understood how they were being used by republicans with race bating and gay bash
asuhornets
Dec 2016
#18
you think they understand that republicans are just manipulating them into voting on bigotry
JCanete
Dec 2016
#24
We are talking about Adults, not children..Why do they need to be coddled? nt
asuhornets
Dec 2016
#39
yes you are, and any kind of eye for an eye mentality will make the world go blind...ooh
JCanete
Dec 2016
#30
Oh they have my compassion. and I hope Trump keeps Obamacare for their sake and many others..
asuhornets
Dec 2016
#19
Well they don't have Moulitsa's, and you said he got it right, thus the confusion. nt
JCanete
Dec 2016
#21
He did get it right...they made the decision as adults..I won't hold their hand..nt
asuhornets
Dec 2016
#40
Why not? Because if you are ignorant by the time you are an adult, its your fault entirely so
JCanete
Dec 2016
#50
The people who vote against their interest have a right to do so. That's on them..
asuhornets
Dec 2016
#51
What they do affects us and vice versa. It seems like we have a stake in helping people to look at
JCanete
Dec 2016
#63
Ultimately a voter is responsible for their vote. BTW it isnt a boolean concept.
stevenleser
Dec 2016
#5
Ultimately people make mistakes. All the time. Actually, I thought we were the party that said
JCanete
Dec 2016
#7
Who said stop loving or calling them stupid? I just said they are responsible.
stevenleser
Dec 2016
#11
but you are essentially putting things outside of their current understanding on their shoulders,
JCanete
Dec 2016
#13
No, everything was within their ability to understand had they tried. It's not like your example
stevenleser
Dec 2016
#16
Why would they try? People of authority who they have always trusted are giving them the answers.
JCanete
Dec 2016
#20
but ACA is a mixed bag and hard to understand. It is being sold as people's premiums going through
JCanete
Dec 2016
#49
Holy shit. You literally want to take a Republican position just because it hurts people that are
JCanete
Dec 2016
#64
Thank you, Steven. It is the responsibility of the people to understand what and who
madinmaryland
Dec 2016
#59
Adam Johnson is a dick... and there was nothing wrong with that DKos article
Fast Walker 52
Dec 2016
#6
I kind of see what Kos is saying. Things have to get worse before they get better. that's why I'm
coolbreeze77
Dec 2016
#44