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mythology

(9,527 posts)
24. I wouldn't argue it is meaningless
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 06:55 PM
Dec 2016

I would wager that if you live in a district that is heavily one party or the other on all the down ticket races, you would be less likely to turn out to vote. For example I had 4 "races" on my ballot this year. I put races in quotation marks because 3 of them were Democrats running unopposed. If I were a Republican and looked at my ballot ahead of time and saw I effectively didn't have any choices, I might not vote. It's not like Trump was going to win my state.

Put that in the context of a red state where it combines with not just gerrymandering, but also reductions in polling places where minority (read Democratic) voters vote and reducing early voting, it adds up. Trump won by less than 1% in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Those states have pretty consistently voted Democratic in the presidential races while Republicans have gerrymandered state districts to their advantage. Which in turn means when somebody is running for say state Senate, a Republican candidate is more likely to be running after having been in the state House and thus have a built in edge in terms of name recognition and fundraising apparatus. That effect would inherently be delayed and hard to measure, but over time would lend itself to more Republican candidates winning.

I don't have numbers to back those up, and could be completely off my rocker, but when our elections are trending to be closer and closer, coming down to a handful of states and we are now better able to predict based on demographics how somebody will vote, it only takes a small edge to win. Trump won by less than 100,000 votes spread over 3 states. Bush by 500 in one state and then a bit over 100,000 votes in Ohio.

We have to explain ALL the losses [View all] zipplewrath Dec 2016 OP
Yes hueymahl Dec 2016 #1
Not without all the data, we don't. Orsino Dec 2016 #2
Evidence of their effect? zipplewrath Dec 2016 #3
The evidence is in the roster of usual suspects who conspire to keep this information secret. Orsino Dec 2016 #4
Where is the effect zipplewrath Dec 2016 #5
The effect is as stated. Orsino Dec 2016 #8
So you have nothing but suspicions zipplewrath Dec 2016 #9
No one will ever be able to... Orsino Dec 2016 #13
So instead zipplewrath Dec 2016 #14
The key word is work. Orsino Dec 2016 #16
I'd start with turn out data zipplewrath Dec 2016 #17
But the Republicans had less and spent less this cycle, at least on a national level. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #28
(If we don't count the billions in free airtime for Trump.) Orsino Dec 2016 #29
Yeah, he was good at getting publicity, but Hillary had awesome name recognition. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #30
(If we don't count the billions in free airtime for Trump.) Orsino Dec 2016 #32
It can't be counted. If Hillary wanted to go out on those shows Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #33
It was counted. It was over US$ 3 bn. Orsino Dec 2016 #36
I dislike myself for reading your post and thinking conspiracy theory. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #20
Dark money? The Clinton campaign spent a lot more than the Trump campaign. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #25
It's okay to count swings of the pendulum... Orsino Dec 2016 #31
I agree utterly with your points here, and I think this was one of the main issues in 2016 Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #35
I think the loses at the state level are in some ways even more worrying than the presidential loss. Willie Pep Dec 2016 #6
Yes. Time to panic early so we can turn this around - not since 1920 have we seen this. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #27
The losses can almost entirely be attributed to rigging elections philosslayer Dec 2016 #7
Evidence? zipplewrath Dec 2016 #10
Read the original post philosslayer Dec 2016 #11
But not the presidential or senate zipplewrath Dec 2016 #18
DOWN BALLOT philosslayer Dec 2016 #19
yes, but zipplewrath Dec 2016 #23
Gerrymandering may have an effect, but first the Republicans have to gain state control. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #26
I wouldn't argue it is meaningless mythology Dec 2016 #24
It would seem any rational discussion that does not include Russian hacking is letting LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #12
You're spot on. Captain Stern Dec 2016 #15
Agreed 100%. Kick and rec Arazi Dec 2016 #21
Collate the data as you instruct others to do, analyze it and please let us know what you find out.. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #22
Starting with Russ Feingold oberliner Dec 2016 #34
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