2016 Postmortem

vi5

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Tue Dec 20, 2016, 07:28 PM

Dec 2016

.... the only other times she's sought office was as NY Senator and.....you know.....she kind of won both times. So how bad could her approval have been?

And pulling in her popularity as First Lady is misleading since most of the time even regardless of how people feel about the husband/President, First Ladys usually engender a fair amount of good will.

And since she didn't have to run for Secretary of State, it's not exactly apples to apples to compare the two.

And then there's the fact that.....you know.....more people in the country voted for her to be president.

I'm not discounting sexism, but this whole angle doesn't really stand up to scrutiny. I honestly believe that as much of a factor as sexism still is, that this time around I think it was the least of the problems she faced.

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Hillary Clinton is immensely popular -- as long as she isn't seeking a seat at the Boy's Table [View all] sheshe2 Dec 2016 OP

Except... vi5 Dec 2016 #1

Sorry, I cannot agree. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #2

Oh, got it... vi5 Dec 2016 #3

No. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #4

Hmmmm....convincing, well thought out retort. vi5 Dec 2016 #5

Do you have an issue with me? sheshe2 Dec 2016 #7

the OP is a highly respected poster here, but do keep trying, dear heart, we need all the laughs niyad Dec 2016 #30

hugs sheshe2 Dec 2016 #41

always!! niyad Dec 2016 #43

Women! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #44

agreed. I just tell them, though, that I regret the necessity of saving their ignorant asses niyad Dec 2016 #45

Righteous! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #47

I doubt if the women who voted for Trump care if you like or respect them or not. n/t totodeinhere Dec 2016 #48

possibly not, but it never hurts to point out the consequences of actions. niyad Dec 2016 #49

Your point? sheshe2 Dec 2016 #50

I realize now that my comment came off as snarky. But that was not my intention. totodeinhere Dec 2016 #64

Thanks, toto. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #67

The only one equating the obvious misogyny displayed against Clinton with "the left" is you. baldguy Dec 2016 #62

not to get off the post, but i watch HGTV. there's DesertFlower Dec 2016 #8

Ha! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #10

I've seen that show & I doubt if the comments had anything to do with her being a woman mtnsnake Dec 2016 #18

i like the show. read up on them -- they really DesertFlower Dec 2016 #24

and yet, even on this board, the denial of misogyny is almost deafening. niyad Dec 2016 #31

Didn't some people on DU who now support her call her every name in the book when she.... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #38

they think we all have short memories. niyad Dec 2016 #39

I wasn't here then. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #68

Her biggest flaw was being part of a political dynasty in the post G.W. Bush era. Gore1FL Dec 2016 #71

Unfortunately drmeow Dec 2016 #54

Even if you make that comparison... vi5 Dec 2016 #61

K&R mcar Dec 2016 #6

Hey mcar. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #9

we do, indeed, she. we do indeed. niyad Dec 2016 #32

Ha! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #34

Here... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #57

praised AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #11

Misogyny played a large part in this election. BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #12

Can anyone imagine a female Bernie Sanders stepping into a presidential race and insisting that she EffieBlack Dec 2016 #17

Holy shit. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #21

Female Bernie Sanders? progressoid Dec 2016 #27

Nice try - but by taking away all of Bernie's attributes, you changed the premise of my questions EffieBlack Dec 2016 #33

Don't forget that fantasy paper he wrote. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #42

You will never... tonedevil Dec 2016 #53

Correct. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #56

Well if you're going to cherry pick attributes, progressoid Dec 2016 #59

Just imagine! eom BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #63

Hi Blue. So good to see you as well. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #20

So sorry to hear that! BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #65

Thank you blue... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #69

the denials of misogyny were, and continue to be, practically ear-splitting. niyad Dec 2016 #26

That is absolutely true! BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #66

hi, blue, and how are you tonight? niyad Dec 2016 #78

Well, I wasn't online BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #96

thank you. doing okay--wishing we didn't have to go back to the streets, but. . . niyad Dec 2016 #98

Same here, but ... BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #99

It really hasn't changed, has it bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #13

K & R SunSeeker Dec 2016 #14

You know how it's different? yallerdawg Dec 2016 #15

Some are, yallerdawg. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #22

many are, indeed defending the pig (although, personally, I think that is insulting our porcine ones niyad Dec 2016 #35

It's the Princess Leia Syndrome. johnp3907 Dec 2016 #16

you nearly owed me a keyboard. niyad Dec 2016 #36

Sorry. johnp3907 Dec 2016 #37

no need for apologies--I thought it was priceless. just glad I wasn't drinking anything. niyad Dec 2016 #40

Spot fucking on. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #19

Yup. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #23

k and r for this excellent piece. niyad Dec 2016 #25

remember this guardian article: Why do successful women like Hillary Clinton get under so many peop niyad Dec 2016 #28

very good read! treestar Dec 2016 #73

We had "our own" repeating "flawed candidate"over bettyellen Dec 2016 #29

What is with those people in glass houses? sheshe2 Dec 2016 #46

and this: niyad Dec 2016 #51

Ha great thread.... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #52

Republicans and the conservative media started the Benghazi and private email attacks... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #55

K&R!!! Great post. Sheshe! lunamagica Dec 2016 #58

Thanks luna! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #70

Is sexism still a huge issue that hinders female candidates for all elected offices? Absolutely. Kentonio Dec 2016 #60

nobody said sexism is the only reason. but it certainly IS a reason, and one that many people niyad Dec 2016 #82

I absolutely agree. Kentonio Dec 2016 #86

but it was pretty damned evident and accurate in many cases. niyad Dec 2016 #88

The same applies to male politicians. More popular when not running. Eric J in MN Dec 2016 #72

I don't think gender had a thing to do with it. Vinca Dec 2016 #74

BS--and a typical response of those who refuse to acknowledge sexism and misogyny. we niyad Dec 2016 #80

I'm laughing, having been a groundbreaking first woman patrol officer on a police department. Vinca Dec 2016 #87

She. Lost. LS_Editor Dec 2016 #75

SHE WON THE POPULAR VOTE BY NEARLY THREE MILLION. get a clue. niyad Dec 2016 #79

She. Lost. LS_Editor Dec 2016 #83

that is reality. look it up. niyad Dec 2016 #84

And yet she lost. LS_Editor Dec 2016 #85

the reality of her popular vote win is a reality. deal with it. "move on"--hmm, where do we niyad Dec 2016 #91

Go ahead. Tell me. LS_Editor Dec 2016 #92

Like n/t Got it Dec 2016 #97

Tiresome Got it Dec 2016 #76

Then trash the tread that is to tiresome for you. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #77

you do realize that reading any OP, or any response on this board, is a strictly voluntary activity, niyad Dec 2016 #81

Majority Got it Dec 2016 #89

the MAJORITY voted, to the tune of nearly THREE MILLION, FOR her. what part of that do niyad Dec 2016 #90

Voters Got it Dec 2016 #93

blah, blah, blah --gee, where are we hearing this drivel from usually? niyad Dec 2016 #94

sweet Got it Dec 2016 #95

the MAJORITY of the country did NOT vote for der drumpfenfuhrer. niyad Dec 2016 #100

"When chatter first started about Hillary Clinton seeking our partys nomination back in 2014" MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #101