2016 Postmortem

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)

54. You make a very important point, but so many seem to ignore it.

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:42 PM

Dec 2016

Part of the reason we lost is because we underestimated Trump. We spent a lot of time calling him names, reveling in how stupid he was, ridiculing his supporters and calling them cute names. Then we took it to the next level, getting into the mud pit to wrestle with him. It wasn't a good tactic for us, not our style, not what we do best. It cost us. I can't say it was the only factor in our loss, but it definitely contributed. We underestimated him, and his reality TV abilities. I think we have to take this guy seriously, because he is going to do some serious shit to our country, so thinking up cute names for him diverts our attention.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

169 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Suggestion: we stop with the "Chump" "tRump" "RePug" namecalling and focus on issues [View all] EffieBlack Dec 2016 OP

Nope Amishman Dec 2016 #1

Agree! MoonRiver Dec 2016 #2

I'm with you. we can do it Dec 2016 #12

I'm with you, too. eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2016 #40

looks amateurish and weak... maybe a little crazy. sfwriter Dec 2016 #147

Feels good but is childish. I do it myself too though. dionysus Dec 2016 #160

He is a terrorist monster and I wont call him anything respectful ever. libtodeath Dec 2016 #3

And yet you have an avatar of Jimmy Carter... HopeAgain Dec 2016 #5

Your concern is noted. libtodeath Dec 2016 #9

Yes, he IS. Do you agree or were you being sarcastic? MoonRiver Dec 2016 #11

Good luck getting moderates or independents to hear your MESSAGE. n/t BP2 Dec 2016 #13

If they are racist supporters of his they can go fuck themselfs libtodeath Dec 2016 #15

What if... HopeAgain Dec 2016 #17

What if they voted for one? libtodeath Dec 2016 #19

There are very few moderates that would flip on name calling, I don't understand this line of thinki uponit7771 Dec 2016 #23

I Agree ... Can we stand for something better? HopeAgain Dec 2016 #4

Here we go again atreides1 Dec 2016 #16

Yes, here we go again... HopeAgain Dec 2016 #20

No, we just don't normalize them, that's not smart to do... ridicule their stupid so they always fee uponit7771 Dec 2016 #24

Okay, lets keep marginalizing almost 1/2 of America HopeAgain Dec 2016 #27

This is a RWTP, you know that right? Seeing that it wasn't 1/2 of America and the plurality of ... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #29

Not acting like a ten year old is normalizing? HopeAgain Dec 2016 #32

Yeap, again... read the bad parts of history and don't repeat it. uponit7771 Dec 2016 #33

Why don't you make this same argument at Free Republic re: Trump Lil Missy Dec 2016 #95

We are by far the majority so maybe we ought to actually act it. libtodeath Dec 2016 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 Dec 2016 #34

I think you replied to the wrong post. libtodeath Dec 2016 #36

sorry !!! edited uponit7771 Dec 2016 #37

No problem,I want that entire evil family and their supporters to be shamed forever. libtodeath Dec 2016 #39

Yes, and historically and even now with ISIS recruits from the west shame and fringe and ridicule is uponit7771 Dec 2016 #42

+1, I totally agree with this line of thinking (now that I've aligned the post correctly K :-) ) uponit7771 Dec 2016 #38

Calling them by their names doesn't "normalize" them EffieBlack Dec 2016 #49

We agree, it doesn't normalize them and labeling them via demeaning names doesn't either but demeani uponit7771 Dec 2016 #58

You are 100% correct, but Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #82

To me they are because they voted for one. libtodeath Dec 2016 #18

Biden doesn't agree HopeAgain Dec 2016 #45

Yeah because a sitting vice president doesnt have to temper his words ever. libtodeath Dec 2016 #48

Because if there's anything Biden is known for, it's tempering himself mythology Dec 2016 #148

And it's why we lose MFM008 Dec 2016 #55

HERR TRUMPENSTEIN CAN GO FUCK HIMSELF!! How's that? RBInMaine Dec 2016 #86

I agree with you... Blanks Dec 2016 #6

Yes, let's respect him. tavernier Dec 2016 #7

You can't wear a suit and tie when you're wrestling a pig. LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #10

We didn't lose because we took the high ground HopeAgain Dec 2016 #14

Thank you EffieBlack Dec 2016 #87

I never said respect him EffieBlack Dec 2016 #50

And ISIS gets their point across by cutting off heads and attacking crowds and torture mythology Dec 2016 #149

Sorry... tavernier Dec 2016 #151

You're right, he has issues BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #8

I call him Trump, just Trump.... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #21

************* DO NOT NORMALIZE BENEDICT DONALD TO ANY DEGREE !!!! ********** uponit7771 Dec 2016 #22

No. I think people should use whatever terminology they prefer. MineralMan Dec 2016 #25

+1, relegate the fringe to the fringe normalizing them has never worked for any society uponit7771 Dec 2016 #43

This! + 1000 - k&r eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2016 #44

I totally agree Mineral Man. Auntie Bush Dec 2016 #121

*Pooty Poot* has to be the most idiotic. SMC22307 Dec 2016 #26

Despite all the "Dumbya" and "Chimperor" nicknames... Orsino Dec 2016 #28

Here we go again---demands that Democrats pull their punches. Paladin Dec 2016 #31

How is not calling people stupid names "pulling our punches?" EffieBlack Dec 2016 #88

It's indicative of a conciliatory mindset which we can't afford, anymore. Paladin Dec 2016 #97

I guess I live in a different reality where not calling someone childish names is not EffieBlack Dec 2016 #98

You fight the battle your way, I'll fight it my way. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #99

I am tired of the morality police on DU. hamsterjill Dec 2016 #35

Nobdy is saying you can't call names HopeAgain Dec 2016 #46

Re: Nobdy is saying you can't call names SFnomad Dec 2016 #79

X 1000 MFM008 Dec 2016 #56

Spot-on, hamsterjill ailsagirl Dec 2016 #84

Well said. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #100

Thank you! hamsterjill Dec 2016 #107

Same to you and yours. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #113

CrookedHillary. Croney Dec 2016 #41

I gave him a new middle name. I am calling him... 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #116

Yes, that one stuck and did crazy damage Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #150

I can do both. zappaman Dec 2016 #47

TRASHED. I WILL CALL HIM WHATEVER I DAMN WELL WANT. DinahMoeHum Dec 2016 #51

I get what you're saying and have felt like that from time to time as well. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #52

Are you joking MFM008 Dec 2016 #53

EXACTLY mtnsnake Dec 2016 #59

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #64

+10000000 ailsagirl Dec 2016 #90

You make a very important point, but so many seem to ignore it. HassleCat Dec 2016 #54

It cost us anyway MFM008 Dec 2016 #57

BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!!! COMEY, Voter Suppression and RUSSIA !! Fuck all the other bullshit uponit7771 Dec 2016 #65

And there it is. Thank you for illustrating my point. HassleCat Dec 2016 #67

Red Herring, we're not talking about the stupid suppostiion of being perfect just factors outside of uponit7771 Dec 2016 #68

Yes, but what about factors within our control? HassleCat Dec 2016 #72

50 state all county... No doubt but that doesn't change the election uponit7771 Dec 2016 #73

You nailed it Kilgore Dec 2016 #103

How 'bout you do you and I do me? If referring to his 'American Psycho extras' Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2016 #60

It does make you an immature idiot. Their names are "my brother Darrell and my other brother Squinch Dec 2016 #76

I agree renate Dec 2016 #61

Sorry. I refuse to give Twittler even the respect of using his name. Vinca Dec 2016 #62

No, stick with the name-calling. Didn't it work stopping Bush from a 2nd term? It's 24601 Dec 2016 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author mtnsnake Dec 2016 #66

Yes it did, got us a dem congresss uponit7771 Dec 2016 #69

Years 7 & 8, whoopie..... 24601 Dec 2016 #89

You think the Dems won the Congress in 2006 because you called Bush "Chimpy?" EffieBlack Dec 2016 #117

Link and quite even the intimation of such? uponit7771 Dec 2016 #119

You can forget about that. In my humble circles, he is President-elect Asshole mtnsnake Dec 2016 #70

Agree 100% It is not just childish, but rude karynnj Dec 2016 #71

No thanks. I'll continue to call him POS, because he's a piece of shit. JustinL Dec 2016 #74

Great job focussing on the important issues in your OP! You raise interesting points on many Squinch Dec 2016 #75

Recommended because that is my ideal however: JHan Dec 2016 #77

Nope Emilybemily Dec 2016 #78

I never use those names. I think prick is more accurate. n/t Lil Missy Dec 2016 #80

Words express our feelings. I rather like "clod"-- short and sweet ailsagirl Dec 2016 #91

"Bird-Doo Head" has always been one of my faves. NT End Of The Road Dec 2016 #110

Hah!! ailsagirl Dec 2016 #111

Trash works....he and his family....trash. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2016 #169

"Deplorables" oasis Dec 2016 #81

I think we can do both ailsagirl Dec 2016 #83

Sure talk about issues but also SMASH HERR TRUMPENSTEIN and blacken his EYEBALLS! RBInMaine Dec 2016 #85

When they stop call us the "libtards"..... lastlib Dec 2016 #92

I'll call him whatever the fuck I want. BlueStater Dec 2016 #93

Polite Speak is For Bretheren. These are traitors who applaud our arch enemy. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #94

How about 'IL IGNORANTO'? applegrove Dec 2016 #96

I will always call him what he is: Don the Con. -nt CrispyQ Dec 2016 #101

We called Bush Chimpy, Dimson, Commander Codpiece, Junior, McCokespoon, and more for 8 years Miles Archer Dec 2016 #102

Suggestion: Herr TrumpenFurhrer can shove his wall UP HIS ASS! How's that? RBInMaine Dec 2016 #104

I routinely call him Dump NastyRiffraff Dec 2016 #105

It's therapeutic ailsagirl Dec 2016 #108

sorry, I won't utter any name.... blue sky at night Dec 2016 #106

Name-calling is silly. I usually don't read posts HeartachesNhangovers Dec 2016 #109

Exactly - but given the tone and passion of the responses here EffieBlack Dec 2016 #112

I already don't do that and I don't screech at people on airplanes. nt m-lekktor Dec 2016 #114

I agree. People who use such terms are always the same people who wonder why their Exilednight Dec 2016 #115

Taken seriously by who? n/t BlueStater Dec 2016 #118

by serious people. Exilednight Dec 2016 #122

No idea who that could be. BlueStater Dec 2016 #128

If you met President Obama and had the chance to ask him one question that you disagreed with him Exilednight Dec 2016 #130

No, because I respect the man and wouldn't curse in his presence. BlueStater Dec 2016 #132

I don't find that to be true. Exilednight Dec 2016 #133

lol ... So now we're advocating respect for this straight up asshole? uponit7771 Dec 2016 #120

adults know how to prove a point without name calling. Exilednight Dec 2016 #123

People who understand human pathology know to ridicule despots often, the people who are uponit7771 Dec 2016 #124

Just an FYI Exilednight Dec 2016 #125

Ignorance would be to ignore human pathology when it comes to despots no? I honestly want to know uponit7771 Dec 2016 #126

What human pathology are you speaking of? Exilednight Dec 2016 #127

No, that normalizing despots by NOT ridiculing them consummately uponit7771 Dec 2016 #136

I don't understand your premise. Exilednight Dec 2016 #137

My premise is he's a despot, not someone that just has policies people disagree with.. .that Bush uponit7771 Dec 2016 #141

I find Trump no worse than Bush. Exilednight Dec 2016 #146

I ... OBJECTIONABLY.... don't feel the need. I'm basing my actions on human pathology.... science uponit7771 Dec 2016 #152

I'm still trying to figure out what "pathology" you're speaking of. Exilednight Dec 2016 #154

Normalizing despots uponit7771 Dec 2016 #155

Where's the science? Exilednight Dec 2016 #156

I'll look through my post, it was in part a history of what the media did with Hitler during the 30s uponit7771 Dec 2016 #157

Yeah, how'd that work out on Nov 8 ? Cattledog Dec 2016 #129

So we try to beat him by behaving like him? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #140

LOL. BlueStater Dec 2016 #144

If you start a conversation with hey asshole stevebreeze Dec 2016 #131

I have no interest in trying to persuade the hateful, idiotic supporters of the orange tumor. BlueStater Dec 2016 #134

Agreed. J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #135

Both can be done blue cat Dec 2016 #138

We won the popular vote blue cat Dec 2016 #139

I don't base my decisions on how I should conduct myself on how Republicans behave EffieBlack Dec 2016 #143

You do your thing; I'll do mine. Different Drummer Dec 2016 #142

yes. sfwriter Dec 2016 #145

Ridicule is the only appropriate response. longship Dec 2016 #153

Actually, ridicule is a very lame and ineffective response to someone who's about to become the most EffieBlack Dec 2016 #158

Not joking, RIDICULE!!! longship Dec 2016 #161

One would have to understand the difference between the too. Rex Dec 2016 #165

I cringe every time I see his name just written as is.. he needs Cha Dec 2016 #159

I have a job dealiing with the public... 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #162

we can do both coolbreeze77 Dec 2016 #163

I don't trust authoritarians very much, they are shitty control freaks. nt Rex Dec 2016 #164

Absolutely NO, infact hell NO! Raine Dec 2016 #166

I say FUCK Trump!!!! triron Dec 2016 #167

I tend to agree, and think intentional misspellings like "drumpf" are silly, but to each their own n jack_krass Dec 2016 #168