2016 Postmortem

Yavin4

(36,223 posts) Fri Dec 23, 2016, 04:50 PM Dec 2016

Bernie Sanders could not, and will not be able to, get racist White Americans to stop voting against [View all]

their best economic interests. They will wholly reject his agenda for the very simple reason that Black and Latino people would get the same benefit. American racism is the true opposition to a progressive agenda.

Until Bernie, Thom Hartmann, Lawrence Frank, Michael Moore, etc. can get the White working class to get over their racism, then there will be little to no progress in America.

Finally, NO, Barack Obama's two victories DOES NOT disprove my point. Obama lost the White vote by 20 points to Mitt Romney in 2012. He made up for it by turnout. Please do not use Obama's elections as some sort of proof that Whites don't vote out of racial bias.

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Bernie Sanders could not, and will not be able to, get racist White Americans to stop voting against [View all] Yavin4 Dec 2016 OP

when we tell the story of the great democrat FDR, we conveniently leave out La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #1

Black people have a huge amount of power in The US. Ligyron Dec 2016 #2

Nothing they can say to these people will change anything bravenak Dec 2016 #3

That isn't what Sanders, or most of us want at all. MLK understood that people could change. If he JCanete Dec 2016 #6

Sanders is not MLK and the comparison is insensitive at best and appropriation assuredly bravenak Dec 2016 #7

But he marched to see Martin!...nt SidDithers Dec 2016 #8

Groan.... bravenak Dec 2016 #10

Well, actually, he rode the chartered bus from Chicago, then marched there from the parking lot ... EffieBlack Dec 2016 #12

LOL bravenak Dec 2016 #18

You say that like it's a bad thing NWCorona Dec 2016 #32

what the fuck. That is not what I did, and it is really lame for you to try to say I did that, JCanete Dec 2016 #14

It's lame to jump straight to MLK when he was never the subject then accuse me of going bravenak Dec 2016 #17

Just so you know, I use MLK because I admire him and personally think of him as a hero. Exactly JCanete Dec 2016 #22

Once MLK became weaponized against us, he lost that usefulness for us. bravenak Dec 2016 #23

Sadly, so did Malcolm X. But your point is taken, and I hate to be trite. I really don't think JCanete Dec 2016 #24

Blavk lives Matter is serving the purpose they set out for bravenak Dec 2016 #25

She didnt read past the first semtence in your post. jack_krass Dec 2016 #54

You just put a shitload of words in that posters mouth., fwiw. dionysus Dec 2016 #28

Why even bring him up in that context? It's a pattern bravenak Dec 2016 #30

I saw leople pointing out that he was indeed involved in supporting civilrights, i did not see anyon dionysus Dec 2016 #31

Racists will still vote GOP, but Bernie would do a lot better than 3rd way identity politics jfern Dec 2016 #4

So you favour tossing us PoC, LGBTQ, and women under the bus? Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #33

Nope, but what needs to go is the idea that Bernie's supporters are all racist and sexist white male jfern Dec 2016 #35

strawmen, as no one made any absolute statements about all Bernie supporters being racists, nor Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #36

3rd way identity politics attacked Bernie supporters as being sexist and racist jfern Dec 2016 #37

there is no such as "3rd way identity politics" as I thoroughly explained above Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #39

President Trump should thank you for your gaslighting of progressives. jfern Dec 2016 #40

gaslighting progressives??? YOU are the one tossing minorities like myself under the bus Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #41

I never did shit to throw minorities under the bus jfern Dec 2016 #43

I have not attacked progressives ever, I have simply said that doing away with identity politics is Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #44

Again, it's a divisive lie to claim Bernie only cares about economic issues jfern Dec 2016 #45

Again with the blatant misrepresentations, projection and ad hominem Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #46

That Vox calculator is a total fraud. jfern Dec 2016 #47

weak sauce, a hyper-technical analysis of the tax plan that would have been deluged by the RW hit Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #48

The Cold War ended 25 years ago, red-baiting isn't going to work the way it would have jfern Dec 2016 #50

He is NOT a democratic socialist, ffs Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #51

Poster is doing a fine job right here of pointing out the ugly of his own base. Shameful indeed lunasun Dec 2016 #53

MANY white working class folks voted for Obama. This is just true. And Bernie is not trying to RBInMaine Dec 2016 #5

Nobody said the word ALL bravenak Dec 2016 #20

What people always seem to gloss over is every single white person and every other boston bean Dec 2016 #38

We sure can bravenak Dec 2016 #42

no shit!! so so so sick of people using blatant misrepresentation , projection and ad hominem Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #49

The lie that Trump won because of economic populism... joshcryer Dec 2016 #9

So the MANY white voters who voted for Obama and switched to Trump are ALL racists? RBInMaine Dec 2016 #11

How many actually did this? Don't guess or speculate. What are the numbers? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #13

It's a manufactured talking point. bravenak Dec 2016 #19

Far more stayed home than switched. joshcryer Dec 2016 #27

yes all Trump voters are racists. stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #52

Looks like not everyone agrees with your assessment of the white working class. jalan48 Dec 2016 #15

I expect Joe to say that, but he of all people should know.. JHan Dec 2016 #21

Racism is a real, yet still one of several, reasons why people voted for snifler. dionysus Dec 2016 #29

Yah, Joe's obviously a racist. Or is it sexists, maybe both. And also probably not a "real Democrat" jack_krass Dec 2016 #56

Let's find out :) Tiggeroshii Dec 2016 #16

+1, +++++++++ OBAMA WASN'T RUNNING AGAINST OVERT RACIST EITHER ++++++++++ uponit7771 Dec 2016 #26

HRC won the popular vote, BS would have won the popular vote. Rex Dec 2016 #34

"Racist white Americans" are a statistically insignificant voting block. What Sanders, or successor jack_krass Dec 2016 #55