2016 Postmortem

Garrett78

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72. Yes, actual facts are pesky things.

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Mon Dec 26, 2016, 07:43 PM

Dec 2016

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Lots of traditionally alienated and disengaged people turned out for Sanders in the primaries [View all] YoungDemCA Dec 2016 OP

PLease Stop Me. Dec 2016 #1

Yes, the election is over. And yet, judging by many of the threads and posts here YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #3

Right, wrong lessons if any 'learned.' elleng Dec 2016 #4

Like placing the blame where it belongs True_Blue Dec 2016 #12

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #17

Sanders got millions of votes, he was not a Nader with 3% of the vote. dionysus Dec 2016 #22

It's Hillary's fault... SidDithers Dec 2016 #82

The art of politics is controlling your environment. Exilednight Dec 2016 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author duffyduff Dec 2016 #15

The truth must hurt. Exilednight Dec 2016 #64

That's Just As Silly As The OP Me. Dec 2016 #89

It can't be that silly considering you have countered any of the points. Exilednight Dec 2016 #93

Actually...I Didn't Counter Any Of The POints Me. Dec 2016 #102

+1,000,000 SOOOOOO sick of these flaming posts. AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #126

! Me. Dec 2016 #127

Progressive politics is not about sanctimonious moralizing. elleng Dec 2016 #2

Sanctimonious (self righteousness) isn't welcome, but I still think... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #10

I don't mind super rich people of they made every penny fair and square, but dionysus Dec 2016 #76

I agree with your points. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #80

His framing is inherently moral, though, as he focuses on hungry children and people working 2-3 JudyM Dec 2016 #84

I didn't say that. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #86

Help me understand this... if we need to have stronger moral grounding, what would be an example? JudyM Dec 2016 #87

Did you read the example that I provided in the first post you... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #88

I did... I'm not seeing a distinction, seems to me that's how he was framing it. JudyM Dec 2016 #90

I don't think many people see income inequality as a problem in itself. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #92

Ok, so the morality argument is that corporations are getting the benefit of education that they are JudyM Dec 2016 #94

I think so, but maybe that's just me. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #97

It wasn't going to be paid by taxpayers... but by a new tax on Wall St speculating. JudyM Dec 2016 #100

I missed it back then too. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #103

Well, yeah, especially since that short term speculating isn't great for our economy. JudyM Dec 2016 #105

I'm going to buy and read Bernie's book too. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #106

Cool, the guy gets beat up around here by a lot of folks who IMO misunderstand the heart depth JudyM Dec 2016 #107

Subscribed! Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #109

"Income inequality", and yet he still refuses to release...... George II Dec 2016 #99

Sanders, in one very rare reference to his religious background did say that his values were what karynnj Jan 2017 #133

in the end they preferred the republican by staying home. now that is "f***ing impressive" msongs Dec 2016 #5

Thank you for this Arazi Dec 2016 #6

The problem with nominating Sanders over Clinton is that mythology Dec 2016 #7

Actually Sanders attracted traditionally nave and unrealistic people. J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #8

I am not a "nave" or naive and I supported Bernie in the Primary and Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #36

Well said. Thank you (nt). YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #45

"what used to be mainstream Democratic core beliefs." YES. This can't be said enough. dionysus Dec 2016 #91

Yes Break time Dec 2016 #95

Yeah, I remember this young woman in the convention who was yelling and screaming lunamagica Dec 2016 #67

Probably why Bernie always beat Trump in a head-to-head Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #73

She got more votes Nonhlanhla Dec 2016 #9

If there had been a fair Primary he might have prevailed. Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #46

The incumbent re-election rate was even higher than normal this year. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #52

Give me a fucking break. Charles Bukowski Dec 2016 #53

Facts are pesky things sometimes. Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #65

Yes, actual facts are pesky things. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #72

Agree. JudyM Dec 2016 #11

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You've really missed it. Too bad. elleng Dec 2016 #20

Democratic voters chose Clinton, why is that so hard to process? nt asuhornets Dec 2016 #13

Whoever Thought That The People That Went To Those HUUUUUUUge Rallys For Sanders OldYallow Dec 2016 #40

As A Former Dean Delegate otohara Dec 2016 #49

I didnt see any of the bending part. Nt dionysus Dec 2016 #110

Sanctimonious morilization is... NCTraveler Dec 2016 #14

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You might not be aware of TOS. Please take a look: JudyM Dec 2016 #23

People get nominated by people voting for them. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #16

I agree, but this is just going to fan the flames of primary dionysus Dec 2016 #21

Seriously Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #24

So we would have been "smarter" if we had caved into the threats of the BoB's pnwmom Dec 2016 #25

hmm AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #48

Get real. Russia wanted the oligarch -- no way would they have sat on their hands pnwmom Dec 2016 #83

We didn't lose the election, it was stolen by Russia and FBI collusion. lark Dec 2016 #26

Sanders was and still is very impressive. After the primary, he worked hard with Clinton campaign. Sunlei Dec 2016 #27

"If she had picked Sanders as VP..' red dog 1 Dec 2016 #51

I begged, 'emailed into the void'. I think he was considered as VP for a couple days. Sunlei Dec 2016 #58

"too late to cry over spilt milk"?? red dog 1 Dec 2016 #61

According to the wiki about the democratic primary, Bernie won 43%. aidbo Dec 2016 #71

Bernie was the change candidate we needed this time around. jalan48 Dec 2016 #28

+ 1 red dog 1 Dec 2016 #33

+2 Plucketeer Dec 2016 #37

+3 azmom Dec 2016 #77

Voters disagreed. synergie Dec 2016 #98

Yep jack_krass Dec 2016 #122

We had a progressive platform this year : JHan Dec 2016 #29

That's what I want to know bravenak Dec 2016 #32

But, bravenak, brer cat Dec 2016 #96

I know, silly me bravenak Dec 2016 #108

Please stop posting these divisive threads. Auntie Bush Dec 2016 #30

Our Party Needs Repair, Not Unity OldYallow Dec 2016 #47

Bernie couldn't even win the primaries. liquid diamond Dec 2016 #31

Bernie didn't win any primaries??? Plucketeer Dec 2016 #38

And your point is? Where were they on November 8? George II Dec 2016 #34

In a democracy, no candidate is entitled to anyone's vote. (nt) YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #39

No one said that. But your first sentence in the second paragraph was confirmed as true. George II Dec 2016 #50

Donald Trump appreciates your support. Charles Bukowski Dec 2016 #54

Enjoy Trump. Some people aren't as privileged as you and will actually suffer n/t kcr Dec 2016 #112

and explain Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #35

"Focus" as in Plucketeer Dec 2016 #41

+1. YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #43

+2 I was a Clinton supporter from the beginning, but... marylandblue Dec 2016 #56

+1 Plucketeer Dec 2016 #79

Trump was an oligarch and admittedly gamed the system as an insider. bettyellen Jan 2017 #131

postmortem AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #42

That's kind of how I thought too marylandblue Dec 2016 #69

YoungDemCA - Sorry, Nothing Was Learned OldYallow Dec 2016 #44

How well would he have done without the Millions of black votes Hillary got? bravenak Dec 2016 #55

How well would Obama have done without all the white votes that he got that Clinton didn't? YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #70

But he actually WON the primary. Bernie did not. bravenak Dec 2016 #75

Bernie Bro arguments make little sense. Charles Bukowski Dec 2016 #57

Just because you vote for someone, doen't mean they inspired you. dionysus Dec 2016 #111

Yes. Plenty of people who realized what was at stake. kcr Dec 2016 #113

Yep. Plenty of people put country before their ego. JTFrog Dec 2016 #114

I agree. red dog 1 Dec 2016 #119

K&R red dog 1 Dec 2016 #59

She might have won with Warren too marylandblue Dec 2016 #63

I agree! red dog 1 Dec 2016 #118

Why didn't they vote for Feingold ? JI7 Dec 2016 #60

It should be about which candidate best represents our values and has the best chance of winning the JudyM Dec 2016 #62

Exactly OldYallow Dec 2016 #74

What you said Bayard Dec 2016 #68

Yeah we should have given him a spot he lost to appease La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #78

Not enough of them... SidDithers Dec 2016 #81

I'm sure those Clinton voters would have shown up for Bernie if they had thrown him the nomination.. SaschaHM Dec 2016 #85

yeah they would have voted for him, if nothing else because of the Supreme Court, but still_one Dec 2016 #101

Please don't confuse me with facts! Binkie The Clown Dec 2016 #104

Your post ignores the fact that most voters turned out and voted for Hillary Clinton.. asuhornets Dec 2016 #115

It took a new kind of candidate to reach new voters. Orsino Dec 2016 #116

They alienated and disengaged themselves. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #117

Fucking impressive! Pat yourself on the back. Here's your trophy: FSogol Dec 2016 #120

The "sanctimonious moralizing" isn't a bug, it's a feature, for some folks. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #121

Even some Democrats like fairy tales. Adrahil Dec 2016 #123

If you say "you're an idiot if you don't vote for me," you are unlikely to win over those who aren't yurbud Dec 2016 #124

I wonder if corporate Democrats ever take that approach with Wall St. or Hollywood donors yurbud Dec 2016 #125

Okay the kinder, gentler answer is, don't believe the horseshit you hear on CNN. ucrdem Dec 2016 #128

Maybe next time Sanders will run a halfway intelligent campaign and actually win? Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #129

REALITY CHECK: The primaries ended back in July CajunBlazer Jan 2017 #130

Sanders attracted more crowd than votes. Lil Missy Jan 2017 #132