2016 Postmortem

Tatiana

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26. Hillary Clinton is not the President-Elect. So, yes, she did something wrong.

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 03:30 AM

Dec 2016

There were several factors regarding why we lost, but to suggest that the candidate and/or the campaign did nothing wrong is delusional.

Comey, Russian hacks, negative media scrutiny --- YES, huge factors.

Lack of volunteers to phone bank and knock on doors, competent IT security staff, rapid response to negative media, intelligent campaign strategy -- those factors are THE CANDIDATE'S fault.

We have to analyze every single thing that led to this horrendous loss (and there are many) to prevent this from happening again.

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I am so SICK AND FUCKING TIRED of everyone armchair quarterbacking Hillary!!!! [View all] Stonepounder Dec 2016 OP

Count me in! triron Dec 2016 #1

... YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #2

Co-sign onecaliberal Dec 2016 #3

Agreed. LisaM Dec 2016 #4

Me too! MO_Dem Dec 2016 #5

Like you, I just don't listen to it anymore radical noodle Dec 2016 #6

MSM Assholes are attempting to bail Comey out of his responsibility for oasis Dec 2016 #7

Prosecute The Asshole Comey OldYallow Dec 2016 #13

Comey will live with the enormous stain on his reputation. oasis Dec 2016 #15

Only The Poor And Powerless Go To Prison OldYallow Dec 2016 #18

We - more accurately, the Democratic party - are making a huge mistake The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #8

+1000 YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #9

This. n/t ms liberty Dec 2016 #31

You are 100% correct... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #33

We're making a bigger mistake by pretending the fine tooth comb is what we need LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #36

Why not do both? The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #45

Well said and an excellent idea... which is why it prolly won't ever happen, sorry to say. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #39

I'm in the Heretics camp with you. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #65

TOTALLY agree!!! nt Raine Dec 2016 #71

This isn't Hillary's fault. The system failed Hillary. AmericanActivist Dec 2016 #10

I SO AGREE with you! AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #11

Agreed! Phoenix61 Dec 2016 #12

I'm with you, Stonepounder Hekate Dec 2016 #14

And she also lost because James Comey tossed his letter bombs pnwmom Dec 2016 #16

I disagree strongly that she couldn't have predicted it mythology Dec 2016 #34

No question Hillary shuda known better, esply in light of the Rethug's history. Hillary all but admitted as much in her apologizing 4 havin had a private server & explicitly callin it a "mistake". InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #41

She could not have known that they would publicly re-open the closed investigation pnwmom Dec 2016 #60

She could NOT have predicted James Comey's last minute interference pnwmom Dec 2016 #59

Completely agree Curtis Dec 2016 #17

She lost the campaign where it actually happened BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #19

Like the saying goes... those who fail to study history are bound to repeat it. Plain and simple. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #42

And what fomented the loss of Indys, X-Over Reps and Millennials? HRC selecting Kaine over Sanders TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #72

facts hurt too AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #20

The sick, F-ing so called news networks will blame everything on Hill elmac Dec 2016 #21

Pretty hard to blame someone who never took office. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #46

I'm pissed off that we lost, and we lost more than the presidency killbotfactory Dec 2016 #22

You left out the modems. ucrdem Dec 2016 #23

after election day recount now Dec 2016 #24

I think we need to quit being pissed off about the past primary... C Moon Dec 2016 #25

Channel that anger into opposing the Fuhrer-Elect... what else is there?! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #43

Hillary Clinton is not the President-Elect. So, yes, she did something wrong. Tatiana Dec 2016 #26

Precisely! Hillary was FAR superior to the Fuhrer-Elect, but also FAR from the perfect candidate... we must be realistic in evaluating what went wrong if we want to avoid a repeat in 2020. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #44

It never should have been close enough for there to have been The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #47

Absolutely! This is a very important point. Tatiana Dec 2016 #50

Outside of Comey, Voter suppression and Russia there are no metrics to back up those claims, its jus uponit7771 Dec 2016 #49

This lack of self-reflection will ensure we continue to lose elections. Tatiana Dec 2016 #52

Hillary lost. Period. bowens43 Dec 2016 #27

If we don't understand why voters chose Trump, we cannot move forward. Sienna86 Dec 2016 #28

I don't care how you feel. denbot Dec 2016 #29

The 2016 Post-Mortem forum may not be for you. Orsino Dec 2016 #30

Thank you blue cat Dec 2016 #32

She was supposed to bend over for Putin, because there are motherfuckers who pretend LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #35

HILLARY WAS NOT THE ESTABLISHMENT. THE ESTABLISHMENT WENT AFTER HER FOR 25 YEARS LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #37

Absolutely correct....Hillary did nothing wrong...it was a hacked, stolen, and fraudulent election. Sancho Dec 2016 #38

Russian interference kcdoug1 Dec 2016 #56

The points aren't new, but they are credible... Sancho Dec 2016 #61

It's the fault of the candidate Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #66

Hacked DRE's? and Tabulators ? Reality101 Dec 2016 #63

Please explain how gerrymandering affected the outcome of the presidential election. hughee99 Dec 2016 #64

K&R mcar Dec 2016 #40

K&R Gothmog Dec 2016 #48

Hindsight is 20/20 treestar Dec 2016 #51

knr Squinch Dec 2016 #53

Every year, the time between Christmas and New Years is filled with analysis on the past year karynnj Dec 2016 #54

She chose politics. End of story. George Eliot Dec 2016 #55

Then why do you keep watching it? jberryhill Dec 2016 #57

Truly Me. Dec 2016 #58

Well put! hamsterjill Dec 2016 #62

KnR sheshe2 Dec 2016 #67

I don't mind intelligent analysis or constructive criticism of her campaign ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #68

ignoring calls to check Michigan and her campaign spending okieinpain Dec 2016 #69

Mahalo, Stonepounder Cha Dec 2016 #70