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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Today, I'm embracing the second amendment. [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)49. Fuck that "shame on you" horseshit- violent homophobia is a real thing, and empty platitudes won't..
...keep him and his husband safe in the face of Klan-style behavior.
The civil rights movement had an armed aspect that wasn't much discussed:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php/http:/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x337407
Rosa Parks was an armed. No surprise from this Cracker.
Tim Tyson, Visiting Professor at Duke Divinity School, did a little "myth-busting" on NPR's "On The Media" last year, saying this about the fabled civil rights leader Rosa Parks:
"There's a sense in which Mrs. Parks is very important to our post-civil rights racial narrative, because we really want a kind of sugar-coated civil rights movement that's about purity and interracial non-violence. And so we don't really want to meet the real Rosa Parks. We don't, for example, want to know that in the late 1960s, Rosa Parks became a black nationalist and a great admirer of Malcolm X. I met Rosa Parks at the funeral of Robert F. Williams, who had fought the Ku Klux Klan in North Carolina with a machine gun in the late 1950s and then fled to Cuba, and had been a kind of international revolutionary icon of black power. Ms. Parks delivered the eulogy at his funeral. She talks in her autobiography and says that she never believed in non-violence and that she was incapable of that herself, and that she kept guns in her home to protect her family. But we want a little old lady with tired feet. You may have noticed we don't have a lot of pacifist white heroes. We prefer our black people meek and mild, I think."
http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2010/08/27/02
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Parks, like Fannie Lou Hammer, kept herself armed for immediate self-protection, and probably knew the limitations of violence within the civil rights movement, so "non-violence" was probably not a philosophical, but more a practical choice. I cannot help but notice that the Washington Post -- agitprop of record for gun-control -- continues to throw mythological pixie dust about in support of the myth of Ms. Parks.
"There's a sense in which Mrs. Parks is very important to our post-civil rights racial narrative, because we really want a kind of sugar-coated civil rights movement that's about purity and interracial non-violence. And so we don't really want to meet the real Rosa Parks. We don't, for example, want to know that in the late 1960s, Rosa Parks became a black nationalist and a great admirer of Malcolm X. I met Rosa Parks at the funeral of Robert F. Williams, who had fought the Ku Klux Klan in North Carolina with a machine gun in the late 1950s and then fled to Cuba, and had been a kind of international revolutionary icon of black power. Ms. Parks delivered the eulogy at his funeral. She talks in her autobiography and says that she never believed in non-violence and that she was incapable of that herself, and that she kept guns in her home to protect her family. But we want a little old lady with tired feet. You may have noticed we don't have a lot of pacifist white heroes. We prefer our black people meek and mild, I think."
http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2010/08/27/02
_____________
Parks, like Fannie Lou Hammer, kept herself armed for immediate self-protection, and probably knew the limitations of violence within the civil rights movement, so "non-violence" was probably not a philosophical, but more a practical choice. I cannot help but notice that the Washington Post -- agitprop of record for gun-control -- continues to throw mythological pixie dust about in support of the myth of Ms. Parks.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=331645
Remembering Robert Hicks and the Deacons of Defense
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/25/us/25hicks.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=robert%20hicks&st=cse
Robert Hicks, Leader in Armed Rights Group, Dies at 81
Someone had called to say the Ku Klux Klan was coming to bomb Robert Hickss house. The police said there was nothing they could do. It was the night of Feb. 1, 1965, in Bogalusa, La.
The Klan was furious that Mr. Hicks, a black paper mill worker, was putting up two white civil rights workers in his home. It was just six months after three young civil rights workers had been murdered in Philadelphia, Miss.
Mr. Hicks and his wife, Valeria, made some phone calls. They found neighbors to take in their children, and they reached out to friends for protection. Soon, armed black men materialized. Nothing happened.
Less than three weeks later, the leaders of a secretive, paramilitary organization of blacks called the Deacons for Defense and Justice visited Bogalusa. It had been formed in Jonesboro, La., in 1964 mainly to protect unarmed civil rights demonstrators from the Klan. After listening to the Deacons, Mr. Hicks took the lead in forming a Bogalusa chapter, recruiting many of the men who had gone to his house to protect his family and guests...
Someone had called to say the Ku Klux Klan was coming to bomb Robert Hickss house. The police said there was nothing they could do. It was the night of Feb. 1, 1965, in Bogalusa, La.
The Klan was furious that Mr. Hicks, a black paper mill worker, was putting up two white civil rights workers in his home. It was just six months after three young civil rights workers had been murdered in Philadelphia, Miss.
Mr. Hicks and his wife, Valeria, made some phone calls. They found neighbors to take in their children, and they reached out to friends for protection. Soon, armed black men materialized. Nothing happened.
Less than three weeks later, the leaders of a secretive, paramilitary organization of blacks called the Deacons for Defense and Justice visited Bogalusa. It had been formed in Jonesboro, La., in 1964 mainly to protect unarmed civil rights demonstrators from the Klan. After listening to the Deacons, Mr. Hicks took the lead in forming a Bogalusa chapter, recruiting many of the men who had gone to his house to protect his family and guests...
https://www.amazon.com/Negroes-Guns-African-American-Life/dp/0814327141/ref=pd_cp_b_1
Negroes with Guns (African American Life Series)
First published in 1962, Negroes with Guns is the story of a southern black community's struggle to arm itself in self-defense against the Ku Klux Klan and other racist groups. Frustrated and angered by violence condoned or abetted by the local authorities against blacks, the small community of Monroe, North Carolina, brought the issue of armed self-defense to the forefront of the civil rights movement. The single most important intellectual influence on Huey P. Newton, the founder of the Black Panther Party, Negroes with Guns is a classic story of a man who risked his life for democracy and freedom.
First published in 1962, Negroes with Guns is the story of a southern black community's struggle to arm itself in self-defense against the Ku Klux Klan and other racist groups. Frustrated and angered by violence condoned or abetted by the local authorities against blacks, the small community of Monroe, North Carolina, brought the issue of armed self-defense to the forefront of the civil rights movement. The single most important intellectual influence on Huey P. Newton, the founder of the Black Panther Party, Negroes with Guns is a classic story of a man who risked his life for democracy and freedom.
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it can take up to 4 months to get a carry permit and there are a lot of gotchas
HoneyBadger
Dec 2016
#44
A 12 gauge shotgun is simultaneously the easiest and the most intimidating weapon for a beginner
HoneyBadger
Dec 2016
#41
If you're not putting us on... prepare for a gunshot to be WAY louder than you'd expect. Beyond that
dionysus
Dec 2016
#23
If enough of you - and lots of straight and gay black and brown and female people, too - get guns
EffieBlack
Dec 2016
#13
In that case is using concerns about guns in urban environments against guns in suburban environment
HoneyBadger
Dec 2016
#61
Injecting "concerns" about "gun violence in Chicago" into a discussion about a gay person
EffieBlack
Dec 2016
#62
Most of the people killing or being killed in Chicago probably don't have many useful skills.
Ace Rothstein
Jan 2017
#152
omfg, the melodrama.. jesus christ. He's gonna be a dud but he's not firing up the ovens, get a grip
dionysus
Dec 2016
#20
The fact that YOU don't feel fear doesn't mean that other, more vulnerable people aren't afraid
EffieBlack
Jan 2017
#131
I agree. I remember the same shit with bush... when i was younger the doomsday
dionysus
Jan 2017
#111
I saw it with bush for 8 years.. the who actually started wars and was reaponsible
dionysus
Jan 2017
#116
Do not divulge your anti-trump sentiments to range personnel or others with guns.
Paladin
Dec 2016
#26
You probably have more reason to arm up than majority of gun nuts -- bigoted white wingers -- but
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#27
I surely understand your feelings. We haven't done anything yet, giving this a chance
RKP5637
Dec 2016
#28
Fuck that "shame on you" horseshit- violent homophobia is a real thing, and empty platitudes won't..
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2016
#49
And, more to the point- "Pink Pistols: LGBT Gun Owners Unite in Arming Gay Community"
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2016
#51
And what knucledraggers would that be, exactly? Gun owners, or merely the white subset thereof?
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2016
#86
I take it you were not aware that the author of "Negroes With Guns" looked like this...
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2016
#87
Are you saying thatbsunurban whitw people should exercise their rigjts to have a firearm, for
dionysus
Jan 2017
#119
One "privilege" white GLBTQ people enjoy: Having to worrry about antigay violence.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2016
#88
The OP expresses genuine fear for his and his loved one's safety and you play Oppression Olympics?
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2017
#93
I know. The friggin OP is scared, and this guy busts in stopping just short of
dionysus
Jan 2017
#120
Relax and have fun, those are nice pistols, I own an old Glock 17, but envy you your newer version
braddy
Dec 2016
#35
No. That would be *exactly* what the RW would want him and his husband to do
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2016
#48
Oppressed minorities *have* armed themselves: Pink Pistols (and the Deacons for Defense And Justice)
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2016
#52
Perhaps- but it's the OP's decision as to whether he wishes to embrace nonviolence or not
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2017
#94
Are you under the impression that Texas is the only state with concealed-carry colleges?
Paladin
Dec 2016
#74
A long gun is like a desktop computer, more powerful, but not the most convenient
HoneyBadger
Dec 2016
#72
A shotgun is the ideal home defense weapon if you are home and it is behind the door
HoneyBadger
Jan 2017
#146
At my place in maine i can just walk out to woods and practise with a 22, its
dionysus
Jan 2017
#117
There is no reality in believing the 2nd Amendment is going to protect you from the Government.
bullimiami
Jan 2017
#129
It doesn't take the 1st, just the local SWAT, and you're already outgunned.
bullimiami
Jan 2017
#136
How many cops have to be killed across the nation before people stop becoming police officers?
Calista241
Jan 2017
#140
What is interesting about silencers is that not only are they legal in many European countries
HoneyBadger
Jan 2017
#158
Every week guns saves lives, but you do not hear about it because it is a deterrent
HoneyBadger
Jan 2017
#161