2016 Postmortem

First Speaker

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50. I do think this distinction matters...

Sat Dec 31, 2016, 10:36 AM

Dec 2016

...because it defines the sort of world we're living in. The Cold War was more ideological than national, so to speak...we were opposed to Communism, and not Russia per se. Our relations with Russia were good before 1917. Stalin, according to most recent scholarship, was more "ideological" in his thinking than many people thought at the time, as opposed to just being another Russian despot. If we're in a pre-1914 period of Great Power rivalries, as opposed to a 1945-89 era of ideological rivalries, that's an important thing to understand. However--having said that--I agree 100% with Ladeeybug that this is the biggest political story of our time, and the greatest scandal in our history. Trump is a *traitor*. And I greatly respect her attention and devotion to this issue here at DU...

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The Soviet Infiltration into our Electorate is EASILY the Biggest story of our lifetime [View all] LaydeeBug Dec 2016 OP

It is not exactly a secret HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #1

again...the failure of the press too...utter failure. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #2

That it is "not exactly a secret" does not deny the premise of the OP. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #6

Your narrative is both old and new. Eyeball_Kid Dec 2016 #3

Welcome to DU. Thank you for the insightful post LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #4

+1,000 AgadorSparticus Jan 2017 #61

Please continue to keep your eyeball on the target. longship Jan 2017 #78

In the grand scheme of things, Trump isn't even the real issue. forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #5

Trump enabled this...HE'S the HORSE the Trojan/Soviets rode inside of LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #8

very succinctly said and accurate. triron Dec 2016 #34

Yes, trump is the Trojan Horse sent by Russia to Destroy America... Cha Dec 2016 #45

It's big. It's bigger than people are understanding. But I think climate change--ruining the planet- femmedem Dec 2016 #7

There's no profit in saving the earth, and they conflate greed with intelligence. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #9

Climate change is by far the most important issue of today HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #12

Excellent point. We are heading to the point where feedback loops make the problem unsolvable StevieM Dec 2016 #22

Wow. 275 posts in 18 days. I am impressed. Welcome to DU!! (eom) StevieM Dec 2016 #24

Somehow I am having a really hard time being productive for the last month HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #29

I believe it is as well. Nothing else will matter when THAT shit hits the fan. nt m-lekktor Dec 2016 #33

how much is going to be done about climate change if elections are rigged?? nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #52

If we had a press that wasn not in it for profit this would not have happened libtodeath Dec 2016 #10

Whatever they did, they appear to have gotten plenty of help from our deep state apparatus ucrdem Dec 2016 #11

very true, and concerning...but we are where we are right now LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #13

The way they capitalized on Benghazi to form dishonest conspiracy theories is a unique evil StevieM Dec 2016 #18

Soviet? former9thward Dec 2016 #14

Oh ok. It doesn't exist then LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #15

Former9thward is enjoying being difficult lately. The other day he castigated me for saying StevieM Dec 2016 #19

And you could not name a scientist who backed up your claim that humanity was doomed. former9thward Dec 2016 #23

I apologize for not replying to your post. I should have taken the time to find links StevieM Dec 2016 #25

Read some back issues of Scientific American and learn something for a change former 9th shraby Jan 2017 #56

Well I do know better than you. former9thward Dec 2016 #20

+1 onenote Dec 2016 #32

Ok. You do. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #36

the communism may be gone, but the totalitarianism and secret state apparatus is still there. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #64

So we should parrot the far right's rhetoric from the 1950s.... former9thward Jan 2017 #69

i don't check with the 1950's first; i decide based on facts and evidence. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #70

Ok, watch out for that commie under your bed... former9thward Jan 2017 #71

reading comprehension, please. nothing you said relates to anything i wrote. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #72

Coup: yallerdawg Dec 2016 #16

Coup: LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #17

It is very simple, Call trump and his campaign underlings in and put then under oath. UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #21

That's not "very simple" at all. nt LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #74

The Rolling Stone weighs in (they are playing the cautiously dubious angle): jonno99 Dec 2016 #26

And yet, they bragged about it... LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #27

Yep. Still, I'm interested in seeing what the presidents full report has to say. nt jonno99 Dec 2016 #28

Don't agree with their triron Dec 2016 #35

Russian. The USSR hasn't existed for decades. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #30

That's why it's the biggest story of our lifetimes... mtnsnake Dec 2016 #31

It's true man I heard Trump is gonna sing The Internationale while being sworn in! DemocraticWing Dec 2016 #43

O-kay. So...the USSR is about to exist again quickly LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #37

Not really, no. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #38

I think 'expansionism' is the key here triron Dec 2016 #39

exactly...the hair splitting does not negate the larger issue...it is just deflection LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #40

the communism may be gone, but the totalitarianism most certainly is not. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #42

It has everything to do with the Soviet Union. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #47

It's almost unbelievable that they think THIS is the important distinction LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #55

I do think this distinction matters... First Speaker Dec 2016 #50

it very well could be, if nothing is done to secure our elections. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #41

Calling them Soviets makes us look like complete crackpots, John Bircher level. DemocraticWing Dec 2016 #44

No..it doesn't...but splitting the hairs certainly does. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #48

Same entity, different labels and accutrements. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #49

I couldn't agree more Chernobyl Jan 2017 #67

I couldn't *disagree* more... LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #75

All the irrational and vulgar statements in the world won't make you right about Chernobyl Jan 2017 #76

And all the normalizing the infiltration of our Democracy makes your rationalizing look LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #77

Nobody is normalizing anything, it's just a few people pointing out how stupid it sounds Chernobyl Jan 2017 #79

You're playing politics. They're playing war. Really. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #80

Putin has a mole in the White House! UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #46

One that is not very secretive. gordianot Dec 2016 #51

kick for visibility triron Dec 2016 #53

Agreed. Need full fledged investigation & if they mucked with vote counts, a new voting day mandated iluvtennis Dec 2016 #54

I'm still worried about the Ottoman and Austrian-Hungary empires hacking us jfern Jan 2017 #57

If one were to say that you don't fix a leaky faucet when the house LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #63

+1000 Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #58

k and r.. Stuart G Jan 2017 #59

knr triron Jan 2017 #60

K & R Scurrilous Jan 2017 #62

kick for visibility triron Jan 2017 #65

kick again triron Jan 2017 #66

Thanks for your post again. triron Jan 2017 #68

Thank you for your passion... LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #73

knr triron Jan 2017 #81

kick for visibility triron Jan 2017 #82

thanks. nt LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #83

If what you say is true why are the Clinton's attending Trump's inauguration? jalan48 Jan 2017 #84

The two are wholly unrelated, but I appreciate your attempt to LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #85

Not marginalize, just put it in a bigger perspective. jalan48 Jan 2017 #86

you make a false equivalence LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #87

No-it's called a logical inconsistency. jalan48 Jan 2017 #88

Not at all...but the false equivalence you INSIST on LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #89

Who is "they"? (the "Traitors"). What did they do that is treasonist? jmg257 Jan 2017 #90

knr triron Jan 2017 #91

+1 triron Jan 2017 #92