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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Why draw a distinction between the working class and the white working class? [View all]Garrett78
(10,721 posts)71. And now that I've read all of the Fusion article, I can certainly recommend it to others.
See posts #30, #36 and #46, which (along with my thread about how you can't win the nomination without winning over a large percentage of POC and women) relate to the following excerpts:
Rembert Browne wrote for New York magazine that Clinton won Harlem with a harrowing speech at the National Urban League in February in which she challenged the privilege of her fellow white Americans.
Browne was convinced that Clinton was not trying to bullshit her audience:
I agree with that. Clintons frankness on race is rare at the presidential level. If you watch video of her speech, she comes across as very sincere, even if she does not directly indict her own past mistakes about race in America.
Browne was convinced that Clinton was not trying to bullshit her audience:
Watching a white woman who could be the president of the United States say things like, For many white Americans, its tempting to believe that bigotry is largely behind us. That would leave us with a lot less work, wouldnt it? and Race still plays a significant role in determining who gets ahead in America and who gets left behind. Now, anyoneanyone asking for your vote has a responsibility to grapple with this reality is uncharted waters.
I agree with that. Clintons frankness on race is rare at the presidential level. If you watch video of her speech, she comes across as very sincere, even if she does not directly indict her own past mistakes about race in America.
Felicia Perry, an African-American woman, said during the Q&A: I know youre scared to say black. I know youre scared to say reparations. But it seems like every time we talk about black people and us getting something for the systematic oppression and exploitation of our people, we have to include every other person of color
Then she asked, Can you please talk about specifically black people and reparations?
Sanders response reminded some people of the language of All lives matter: Its not just black, he said in part. Its Latino. In some rural areas, it is white.
Sanders was in a staunchly activist, anti-establishment environment full of people who were very much open to a candidate who wasnt afraid of speaking truth to power. Yet he didnt seem able, or willing, to speak about race beyond citing statistics on discrimination against black people.
This is the Black Lives Matter era, a time in which young black people are leading a movement demanding that the powers that beSanders includedaddress the specific plight of African-Americans.
Then she asked, Can you please talk about specifically black people and reparations?
Sanders response reminded some people of the language of All lives matter: Its not just black, he said in part. Its Latino. In some rural areas, it is white.
Sanders was in a staunchly activist, anti-establishment environment full of people who were very much open to a candidate who wasnt afraid of speaking truth to power. Yet he didnt seem able, or willing, to speak about race beyond citing statistics on discrimination against black people.
This is the Black Lives Matter era, a time in which young black people are leading a movement demanding that the powers that beSanders includedaddress the specific plight of African-Americans.
And, yes, reparations is a tricky subject to address in American politics, but its certainly not impossible.
Not addressing Perrys question on the subject revealed how limited Sanders idealism is when it comes to exploring liberation for black people. He has no problem speaking, ad nauseam, about how America can be more like Denmark. Yet he isnt bold enough to say black people can get reparations just like Holocaust survivors or Japanese internment victims?
On the economy, Sanders idealism on fighting Wall Street and advocacy for free public college education and universal health care doesnt seem to extend to acknowledging that black people need a special kind of economic boost to come as close as possible to the 40 acres and a mule we were promised after emancipation.
Not addressing Perrys question on the subject revealed how limited Sanders idealism is when it comes to exploring liberation for black people. He has no problem speaking, ad nauseam, about how America can be more like Denmark. Yet he isnt bold enough to say black people can get reparations just like Holocaust survivors or Japanese internment victims?
On the economy, Sanders idealism on fighting Wall Street and advocacy for free public college education and universal health care doesnt seem to extend to acknowledging that black people need a special kind of economic boost to come as close as possible to the 40 acres and a mule we were promised after emancipation.
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Why draw a distinction between the working class and the white working class? [View all]
Garrett78
Jan 2017
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Because black voters vote solid Dem ticket regardless of any demographic subsets
HoneyBadger
Jan 2017
#1
HoneyBadger's reply clearly suggests that black voters can be taken for granted.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#7
Gore won 90%, Kerry won 88%, Obama won 96% in 2008, 93% in 2012 and Clinton won 88%.
HoneyBadger
Jan 2017
#6
So, black voters should just be written off as "ungettable"- while white voters who vote Republican
EffieBlack
Jan 2017
#37
Because they need to feel better than somebody and it's a tacit acknowledgment
elehhhhna
Jan 2017
#38
And we all know this. A white backlash has been building, as it has throughout US history,...
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#20
I'm nor interested in "winning over" racists. They're welcome if they change their tunes.
MADem
Jan 2017
#32
I agree. And I think it's worth remembering that well-to-do POC often get mistreated in our society.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#35
Historical injustice continues to impact the present. So, no, those owed are not all dead.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#46
I think this is an important point. See post #20. We need to change the narrative.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#22
I'm sure that the Republicans set out to claim those midwesterners. They succeeded.
yardwork
Jan 2017
#24
And she undoubtedly received millions of votes from working class whites. So...
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#15
But we must recognize that not everyone drawing the distinction is doing so maliciously.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#25
I think it is the result of that demographic being one that we got clobbered in. I think we need to
JCanete
Jan 2017
#28
Democrats already speak to the working class and win among the working class.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#29
I think they care more than you think. They are inundated by bullshit about who is making their
JCanete
Jan 2017
#31
I didn't suggest they don't care, just that white identity is a major factor for that segment.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#34
Only the white working class is lectured about their 'white privilege' by liberals
Dems to Win
Jan 2017
#41
Generalizing is being done by those suggesting all working class whites voted for Trump.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#43
A white person working for WalMart for $10/hour is privileged compared to a similarly situated POC
EffieBlack
Jan 2017
#51
Sanders positions was refuted a year ago, all PoC being rich STILL wouldn't eliminate racist effects
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#82
lol...somehow "us" insulting makes a fuckin difference?! That's a RWTP and not even close to reality
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#83
lol, that's like saying the justice system is not unfair to black people because OJ Simpson got free
JI7
Jan 2017
#62
It's a broadly used term, and different people will have, or not have, any intent behind it.
dionysus
Jan 2017
#47
It clarifies a political reality, like making a distinction between Evangelicals...
Buckeye_Democrat
Jan 2017
#59
I'm not saying you do. But that's what's so nasty about dog whistling and implicit bias.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#66
And now that I've read all of the Fusion article, I can certainly recommend it to others.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#71
Most Americans don't view reparations on the same footing as current problems.
Buckeye_Democrat
Jan 2017
#79
As I said, it's not an easy sell, but it needs to be done. The framing is key.
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#80