2016 Postmortem

Ace Rothstein

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152. Most of the people killing or being killed in Chicago probably don't have many useful skills.

Reply to HoneyBadger (Reply #149)

Mon Jan 2, 2017, 03:19 PM

Jan 2017

They'd go back to a life of crime when they aren't making as much money as they did previously.

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Today, I'm embracing the second amendment. [View all] Amimnoch Dec 2016 OP

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This breaks my heart. Freedomofspeech Dec 2016 #2

You have got to be kidding me. Nt dionysus Dec 2016 #21

What exactly do you mean? Freedomofspeech Dec 2016 #37

History shows us, nobody. It's human nature, sadly. Oneironaut Dec 2016 #63

I'm in Texas blue cat Dec 2016 #3

Very intelligent and responsible position to take. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #4

I get it. SaschaHM Dec 2016 #5

it can take up to 4 months to get a carry permit and there are a lot of gotchas HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #44

should get a shotgun. less aiming needed. pansypoo53219 Jan 2017 #103

Not good advice... yagotme Jan 2017 #155

why 3 long slides, you need more variety SpookyDem Dec 2016 #6

What would you recommend? Amimnoch Dec 2016 #11

Recommendations Devil Child Dec 2016 #19

A 12 gauge shotgun is simultaneously the easiest and the most intimidating weapon for a beginner HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #41

Good catch Devil Child Jan 2017 #150

I also nil desperandum Jan 2017 #126

Revolvers are good Devil Child Jan 2017 #151

Take you alive? LOL. Chillax. dionysus Dec 2016 #22

I'm glad you're getting proper weapons training. DeadLetterOffice Dec 2016 #7

Buy guns! Johnny2X2X Dec 2016 #8

I've always been fully for gun control, but never.. mvd Dec 2016 #9

A couple of points... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #10

Thank you, and we will. Amimnoch Dec 2016 #12

Breathe deep, stay calm... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #15

If you're not putting us on... prepare for a gunshot to be WAY louder than you'd expect. Beyond that dionysus Dec 2016 #23

a suggestion or two sweetapogee Dec 2016 #45

If enough of you - and lots of straight and gay black and brown and female people, too - get guns EffieBlack Dec 2016 #13

Um, have you read the statistics in Chicago lately? cwydro Dec 2016 #17

You draw that conclusion because of Chicago? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #24

Oh I know. cwydro Dec 2016 #46

What are you talking about? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #58

The difference between gun ownership Uponthegears Dec 2016 #34

Privilege is only one of the things it smacks of . . . n/t EffieBlack Dec 2016 #59

I was being nice Uponthegears Dec 2016 #60

In that case is using concerns about guns in urban environments against guns in suburban environment HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #61

Injecting "concerns" about "gun violence in Chicago" into a discussion about a gay person EffieBlack Dec 2016 #62

I'm also gay, "Effie". cwydro Dec 2016 #80

Your being gay has nothing to do with my point, which remains the same EffieBlack Dec 2016 #89

Gun violence in Chicago is being addressed differently in 2017 HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #149

Most of the people killing or being killed in Chicago probably don't have many useful skills. Ace Rothstein Jan 2017 #152

"We are all the same" Uponthegears Dec 2016 #78

I think that you are making up mantras HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #79

Let's make this easier Uponthegears Dec 2016 #81

As the purchase of guns occurs and is regulated on an individual basis HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #85

Of course, my point has nothing Uponthegears Dec 2016 #91

Just saying.....but hollowdweller Dec 2016 #14

I agree. cwydro Dec 2016 #18

Yes, please get professional instruction on using weapons. cwydro Dec 2016 #16

omfg, the melodrama.. jesus christ. He's gonna be a dud but he's not firing up the ovens, get a grip dionysus Dec 2016 #20

Not melodrama. People are justifiably frightened. EffieBlack Dec 2016 #25

Of who, exactly? I'd be more concerned with whackos feeling emboldened, i do dionysus Jan 2017 #118

The fact that YOU don't feel fear doesn't mean that other, more vulnerable people aren't afraid EffieBlack Jan 2017 #131

It rarely starts and finishes with the State. SQUEE Jan 2017 #139

You are probably right. I'd certainly like to think that you are. Amimnoch Dec 2016 #55

Well, do what you feel you need to do.. i cant begrudge you that... dionysus Dec 2016 #83

We don't need AJT Jan 2017 #107

I agree. I remember the same shit with bush... when i was younger the doomsday dionysus Jan 2017 #111

We've got folks saying he's the world's biggest Truth321 Jan 2017 #115

I saw it with bush for 8 years.. the who actually started wars and was reaponsible dionysus Jan 2017 #116

Do not divulge your anti-trump sentiments to range personnel or others with guns. Paladin Dec 2016 #26

This is sound advice n/t Devil Child Dec 2016 #30

You probably have more reason to arm up than majority of gun nuts -- bigoted white wingers -- but Hoyt Dec 2016 #27

I surely understand your feelings. We haven't done anything yet, giving this a chance RKP5637 Dec 2016 #28

Yup. Also started a prepping hobby with the local Trump voter gun enthusiast. Pholus Dec 2016 #29

shame on you jodymarie aimee Dec 2016 #31

Fuck that "shame on you" horseshit- violent homophobia is a real thing, and empty platitudes won't.. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #49

And, more to the point- "Pink Pistols: LGBT Gun Owners Unite in Arming Gay Community" friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #51

here's a few links wincest Jan 2017 #98

The appropriation of the REAL dangers Uponthegears Dec 2016 #56

That's the problem. They've appropriated it. 2nd amendment is their tune, now. kcr Dec 2016 #69

And what knucledraggers would that be, exactly? Gun owners, or merely the white subset thereof? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #86

I take it you were not aware that the author of "Negroes With Guns" looked like this... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #87

What I am aware of Uponthegears Dec 2016 #90

Are you saying thatbsunurban whitw people should exercise their rigjts to have a firearm, for dionysus Jan 2017 #119

The percentage of Uponthegears Jan 2017 #124

Hunting is down but recreational shooting is way up HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #125

So suburbanites Uponthegears Jan 2017 #127

You seem to say that suburbanites are not entitled to security HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #130

And ADT relies Uponthegears Jan 2017 #138

Not saying specifically where HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #141

Great story! Uponthegears Jan 2017 #143

I don't think anuone here is arguing that suburbanites are somehow in danger dionysus Jan 2017 #154

I think you would be surprised citood Jan 2017 #135

I'm not saying no one Uponthegears Jan 2017 #137

One "privilege" white GLBTQ people enjoy: Having to worrry about antigay violence. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #88

More appropriation Uponthegears Dec 2016 #92

The OP expresses genuine fear for his and his loved one's safety and you play Oppression Olympics? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2017 #93

The Oppression Olympics, huh? Uponthegears Jan 2017 #95

I know. The friggin OP is scared, and this guy busts in stopping just short of dionysus Jan 2017 #120

There are oppressed Uponthegears Jan 2017 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author kcr Dec 2016 #68

We just spent the last 8 years Truth321 Dec 2016 #32

A lot of good advice in this thread ... let me add a few suggestions DaleFromWPB Dec 2016 #33

My only addition would be to change the 50 to 100 rounds. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #38

I think that Hickok45 still has a Youtube channel unless they banned guns HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #42

Relax and have fun, those are nice pistols, I own an old Glock 17, but envy you your newer version braddy Dec 2016 #35

Awesome choice for the range HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #36

I don't do guns, but I don't begrudge others who feel they need them. Be safe. aidbo Dec 2016 #39

Well...I think it's safe to say this election will kill off gun control.... Imajika Dec 2016 #40

Would it be possible to relocate? ucrdem Dec 2016 #43

No. That would be *exactly* what the RW would want him and his husband to do friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #48

Perhaps, but I'm not sure that's what matters. ucrdem Dec 2016 #50

Oppressed minorities *have* armed themselves: Pink Pistols (and the Deacons for Defense And Justice) friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #52

Violence begets violence. ucrdem Dec 2016 #53

Perhaps- but it's the OP's decision as to whether he wishes to embrace nonviolence or not friendly_iconoclast Jan 2017 #94

I'll agree with you there. ucrdem Jan 2017 #100

Guns cannot be returned for a refund, after it is sold, it is used HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #108

That makes sense HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #54

Texas is becoming more progressive ElkeH Dec 2016 #73

I've never doubted it. ucrdem Dec 2016 #77

Are you under the impression that Texas is the only state with concealed-carry colleges? Paladin Dec 2016 #74

Right, there's Mississippi and Utah. ucrdem Dec 2016 #75

Amimnoch.. Cha Dec 2016 #47

Sad... Snackshack Dec 2016 #57

Democrats have passed every gun control law in USA Truth321 Dec 2016 #64

We did a poll where I think 700+ DUers responded aikoaiko Jan 2017 #96

"All other civilized nations have long since outlawed all firearms." Grey Lemercier Jan 2017 #163

Including the federal and various state level AWBs discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #164

Welcome to the dark side :) A couple pointers: jack_krass Dec 2016 #65

I've...somewhat reevaluated my views on gun control. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author kcr Dec 2016 #67

You didn't become a knuckledgragging 2nd amendment humper kcr Dec 2016 #70

"Why liberals should love the Second Amendment" pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #71

A long gun is like a desktop computer, more powerful, but not the most convenient HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #72

As many have chimed in with good advice sarisataka Dec 2016 #76

I sure hope you are over-reacting. It seems like about half this country has doc03 Dec 2016 #82

One of the privileges of living in the US HeartachesNhangovers Dec 2016 #84

you cant run from homophobia wincest Jan 2017 #99

As you just said - CA is one of the HeartachesNhangovers Jan 2017 #109

if he wants to move he should move wincest Jan 2017 #110

a few thoughts and some advice... ToolMaker Jan 2017 #97

You guys are all nuts! rgbecker Jan 2017 #101

as post #42 suggests wincest Jan 2017 #102

I grew up with firearms in the home... TomJulie Jan 2017 #104

Take it easy on criticizing others for being scairdy-cats, OK? Paladin Jan 2017 #105

Strategically placed??? TomJulie Jan 2017 #121

So, let us know how the visit to the range went? cwydro Jan 2017 #106

My husband is better than me, but I already knew that ;) Amimnoch Jan 2017 #112

It takes time to learn to shoot properly. cwydro Jan 2017 #113

most sweetapogee Jan 2017 #114

Glocks are not designed to have safeties HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #123

Interesting. Thanks for the info. cwydro Jan 2017 #134

Sounds like a good teacher HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #122

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A shotgun is the ideal home defense weapon if you are home and it is behind the door HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #146

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #147

Honestly I do not know the OP's intention HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #148

At my place in maine i can just walk out to woods and practise with a 22, its dionysus Jan 2017 #117

Me too. We love to plink at cans and stuff. cwydro Jan 2017 #132

There is no reality in believing the 2nd Amendment is going to protect you from the Government. bullimiami Jan 2017 #129

If you're going to be a big enough target Calista241 Jan 2017 #133

It doesn't take the 1st, just the local SWAT, and you're already outgunned. bullimiami Jan 2017 #136

How many cops have to be killed across the nation before people stop becoming police officers? Calista241 Jan 2017 #140

You are wrong on so many thing here, I will just say SQUEE Jan 2017 #142

Body armor is generally legal to buy if you are not a felon HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #144

Also, yagotme Jan 2017 #157

What is interesting about silencers is that not only are they legal in many European countries HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #158

I think that it is Finland yagotme Jan 2017 #159

First off, calling people names is not a great idea discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #162

I've been thinking about it, especially cause I offered my 40 acres adigal Jan 2017 #153

Just a few short months ago, an "I'm getting a gun thread" hughee99 Jan 2017 #156

Examples abound of infants shooting parents, bystanders shot in drive-bys, ucrdem Jan 2017 #160

Every week guns saves lives, but you do not hear about it because it is a deterrent HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #161