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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: I grew up in a very red, rural community in the midwest. [View all]Gothmog
(154,496 posts)160. There is so much wrong in this post that it is hard to pick
I have many issues with the above post. The fact is that Sanders made promises that could never be delivered on in the real world. There was no revolution during the primary and if Sanders revolution was real then Jewish, African American and Latino voters would not have rejected Sanders or their rejection would not have mattered.
I found this statement in the above post to be espicially wrong.
Coining his criticism of the D party, and by extension HRC as an "attack" is semantics. Obama is for the TPP, Hillary said she was not. Is she attacking the Democratic Party and the President! Oh my!. And he never wallowed in any of those unproven smears that the Republicans were using, he stuck to the same issues he has been fighting all his political life. It is the party that has shifted so far to the right that Sanders ideas are "revolutionary". Ideas that would be a normal platform in many western democracies. Do you think he embarrassed the party brass by highlighting just how far behind the times they are?
Here is a good example Sanders really hurt Clinton I am still mad at the number of times that trump used Sanders' claims against Clinton. Sanders' baseless charges that the system was fixed and rigged were used by trump to great effect and hurt Clinton http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rigged-system-donald-trump_us_5855cb44e4b08debb7898607?section=us_politics
And if Sanders rhetoric during the primaries started that stew simmering with his talk about the system only working for the rich, Trump brought it to a full boil with his remarks blaming undocumented immigrants and trade agreements that he claimed were forged as the result of open corruption.
The underlying irony for those who sought to end what they perceived as corruption is that they may well have elected a president whose record through the years and whose actions since the election signal it could be the most openly corrupt administration in generations.....
And if Sanders rhetoric during the primaries started that stew simmering with his talk about the system only working for the rich, Trump brought it to a full boil with his remarks blaming undocumented immigrants and trade agreements that he claimed were forged as the result of open corruption.
I think he was able to thread a certain toxic needle. But he did win, and were all going to pay the price.
John Weaver, aide to Ohio Gov. John Kasichs presidential campaign
The underlying irony for those who sought to end what they perceived as corruption is that they may well have elected a president whose record through the years and whose actions since the election signal it could be the most openly corrupt administration in generations.....
And if Sanders rhetoric during the primaries started that stew simmering with his talk about the system only working for the rich, Trump brought it to a full boil with his remarks blaming undocumented immigrants and trade agreements that he claimed were forged as the result of open corruption.
Sanders' bogus rigged process claim hurt a great deal. The fact that trump quoted Sanders so often is all the proof that one needs in the real world
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And a corporate, conservative media that promotes the false equivalence argument,
guillaumeb
Dec 2016
#1
Similar background, but it's simpler than that - they are stupid. That's why they believe that junk.
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#2
Absolutely. Did Biden/Kerry/Edwards/Gore get crucified by the left over the Welfare Reform Bill?
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#90
But, but, but.... Bernie didn't mean it!!! Hillary was sleeping with Bill at the time!!! (nt)
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#124
Thanks - Gore was head of the Senate, and was smiling in the photo of it being signed.(nt)
ehrnst
Jan 2017
#145
This. Nearly half of America is conservative Christian, built on misogyny.
Crash2Parties
Dec 2016
#21
You've nailed it, and this election of trump proves it will always be so. trump voters fell back . .
brush
Dec 2016
#91
The racism was "necessary" to maintain high profits. So was the revolution.
Crash2Parties
Dec 2016
#130
Adam and Eve. Also, in terms of sex/gender the Catholic Church is damn conservative
Crash2Parties
Dec 2016
#131
You're probably right. All those "corrupt, crooked and corporate whore remarks" must ...
brush
Dec 2016
#126
Far too many people are completely incapable of critical thinking.
PoindexterOglethorpe
Dec 2016
#35
Meanwhile Hillary Clinton was born in the Midwest (Chicago), and served initially in the South....
George II
Dec 2016
#54
I suspect that people believed all of these lies because they were already biased against Clinton.
Willie Pep
Dec 2016
#58
This really, REALLY, deserves to be its own OP and receive wide exposure. The
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2016
#61
I've thought about your points a lot. I've decided that I need to speak up more often.
yardwork
Jan 2017
#143
Yep. I tried to convince people on some local online forums a few months ago...
Buckeye_Democrat
Dec 2016
#62
That, and RUSSIA, because it can't be overstated that less than 1% in most swing
LaydeeBug
Dec 2016
#64
I actually think that Comey did more than just tip a narrow race one way as opposed to the other.
StevieM
Jan 2017
#144
For crying out loud he treated her with kid gloves. I suppose he was supposed to coddle her?
dionysus
Dec 2016
#79
Actually you are wrong-it was the Clinton campaign who handle Sanders with kid gloves
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#133
I think that plenty of damning fiction could have been easily created about other Dem candidates
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#89
Not just rural red places-- low info voters were at least hearing these fake stories everywhere
andym
Dec 2016
#98
In the real world in past primary contests, the candidates were all actual members of the party
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#128
So once again...you do not believe that the system is rigged at all in favor of the wealthy?
LiberalLovinLug
Jan 2017
#162
The DNC had nothing to do with the fact that Jewish, African American and Latino voters rejected
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#161
Thanks! I did leave out the gun issue by accident. The NRA was busy this year.
yardwork
Jan 2017
#140
She abdicated for 2/3 of the year. She never showed up to campaign in Swing States.
libdem4life
Jan 2017
#155