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In reply to the discussion: I grew up in a very red, rural community in the midwest. [View all]Gothmog
(154,494 posts)161. The DNC had nothing to do with the fact that Jewish, African American and Latino voters rejected
Sanders. This claim is wrong http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
Easily the most ridiculous argument this year was that the DNC was some sort of monolith that orchestrated the nomination of Hillary Clinton against the will of the people. This was immensely popular with the Bernie-or-Busters, those who declared themselves unwilling to vote for Clinton under any circumstances because the Democratic primary had been rigged (and how many of these people laughed when Trump started moaning about election rigging?). The notion that the fix was in was stupid, as were the people who believed it.
Start with this: The DNC, just like the Republican National Committee, is an impotent organization with very little power. It is composed of the chair and vice chair of the Democratic parties of each state, along with over 200 members elected by Democrats. What it does is fundraise, organize the Democratic National Convention and put together the party platform. It handles some organizational activity but tries to hold down its expenditures during the primaries; it has no authority to coordinate spending with any candidate until the partys nominee is selected. This was why then-President Richard Nixon reacted with incredulity when he heard that some of his people had ordered a break-in at the DNC offices at the Watergate; he couldnt figure out what information anyone would want out of such a toothless organization.....
According to a Western European intelligence source, Russian hackers, using a series of go-betweens, transmitted the DNC emails to WikiLeaks with the intent of having them released on the verge of the Democratic Convention in hopes of sowing chaos. And thats what happenedjust a couple of days before Democrats gathered in Philadelphia, the emails came out, and suddenly the media was loaded with stories about trauma in the party. Crews of Russian propagandistsworking through an array of Twitter accounts and websites, started spreading the story that the DNC had stolen the election from Sanders. (An analysis provided to Newsweek by independent internet and computer specialists using a series of algorithms show that this kind of propaganda, using the same words, went from Russian disinformation sources to comment sections on more than 200 sites catering to liberals, conservatives, white supremacists, nutritionists and an amazing assortment of other interest groups.) The fact that the dates of the most controversial emailsMay 3, May 4, May 5, May 9, May 16, May 17, May 18, May 21were after it was impossible for Sanders to win was almost never mentioned, and was certainly ignored by the propagandists trying to sell the primaries were rigged narrative. (Yes, one of them said something inappropriate about his religious beliefs. So a guy inside the DNC was a jerk; that didnt change the outcome.) Two other emailsone from April 24 and May 1were statements of fact. In the first, responding to Sanders saying he would push for a contested convention (even though he would not have the delegates to do so), a DNC official wrote, So much for a traditional presumptive nominee. Yeah, no kidding. The second stated that Sanders didnt know what the DNCs job actually waswhich he didnt, apparently because he had not ever been a Democrat before his run.
Bottom line: The scandalous DNC emails were hacked by people working with the Kremlin, then misrepresented online by Russian propagandists to gullible fools who never checked the dates of the documents. And the media, which in the flurry of breathless stories about the emails would occasionally mention that they were all dated after any rational person knew the nomination was Clintons, fed into the misinformation.
In the real world, here is what happened: Clinton got 16.9 million votes in the primaries, compared with 13.2 million for Sanders. The rules were never changed to stop him, even though Sanders supporters started calling for them to be changed as his losses piled up.
Start with this: The DNC, just like the Republican National Committee, is an impotent organization with very little power. It is composed of the chair and vice chair of the Democratic parties of each state, along with over 200 members elected by Democrats. What it does is fundraise, organize the Democratic National Convention and put together the party platform. It handles some organizational activity but tries to hold down its expenditures during the primaries; it has no authority to coordinate spending with any candidate until the partys nominee is selected. This was why then-President Richard Nixon reacted with incredulity when he heard that some of his people had ordered a break-in at the DNC offices at the Watergate; he couldnt figure out what information anyone would want out of such a toothless organization.....
According to a Western European intelligence source, Russian hackers, using a series of go-betweens, transmitted the DNC emails to WikiLeaks with the intent of having them released on the verge of the Democratic Convention in hopes of sowing chaos. And thats what happenedjust a couple of days before Democrats gathered in Philadelphia, the emails came out, and suddenly the media was loaded with stories about trauma in the party. Crews of Russian propagandistsworking through an array of Twitter accounts and websites, started spreading the story that the DNC had stolen the election from Sanders. (An analysis provided to Newsweek by independent internet and computer specialists using a series of algorithms show that this kind of propaganda, using the same words, went from Russian disinformation sources to comment sections on more than 200 sites catering to liberals, conservatives, white supremacists, nutritionists and an amazing assortment of other interest groups.) The fact that the dates of the most controversial emailsMay 3, May 4, May 5, May 9, May 16, May 17, May 18, May 21were after it was impossible for Sanders to win was almost never mentioned, and was certainly ignored by the propagandists trying to sell the primaries were rigged narrative. (Yes, one of them said something inappropriate about his religious beliefs. So a guy inside the DNC was a jerk; that didnt change the outcome.) Two other emailsone from April 24 and May 1were statements of fact. In the first, responding to Sanders saying he would push for a contested convention (even though he would not have the delegates to do so), a DNC official wrote, So much for a traditional presumptive nominee. Yeah, no kidding. The second stated that Sanders didnt know what the DNCs job actually waswhich he didnt, apparently because he had not ever been a Democrat before his run.
Bottom line: The scandalous DNC emails were hacked by people working with the Kremlin, then misrepresented online by Russian propagandists to gullible fools who never checked the dates of the documents. And the media, which in the flurry of breathless stories about the emails would occasionally mention that they were all dated after any rational person knew the nomination was Clintons, fed into the misinformation.
In the real world, here is what happened: Clinton got 16.9 million votes in the primaries, compared with 13.2 million for Sanders. The rules were never changed to stop him, even though Sanders supporters started calling for them to be changed as his losses piled up.
I was a delegate to the national convention and I saw much of this silliness first hand. This election was winnable but the sanders campaign did a great deal of damage that is the subject of valid commentary
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And a corporate, conservative media that promotes the false equivalence argument,
guillaumeb
Dec 2016
#1
Similar background, but it's simpler than that - they are stupid. That's why they believe that junk.
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#2
Absolutely. Did Biden/Kerry/Edwards/Gore get crucified by the left over the Welfare Reform Bill?
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#90
But, but, but.... Bernie didn't mean it!!! Hillary was sleeping with Bill at the time!!! (nt)
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#124
Thanks - Gore was head of the Senate, and was smiling in the photo of it being signed.(nt)
ehrnst
Jan 2017
#145
This. Nearly half of America is conservative Christian, built on misogyny.
Crash2Parties
Dec 2016
#21
You've nailed it, and this election of trump proves it will always be so. trump voters fell back . .
brush
Dec 2016
#91
The racism was "necessary" to maintain high profits. So was the revolution.
Crash2Parties
Dec 2016
#130
Adam and Eve. Also, in terms of sex/gender the Catholic Church is damn conservative
Crash2Parties
Dec 2016
#131
You're probably right. All those "corrupt, crooked and corporate whore remarks" must ...
brush
Dec 2016
#126
Far too many people are completely incapable of critical thinking.
PoindexterOglethorpe
Dec 2016
#35
Meanwhile Hillary Clinton was born in the Midwest (Chicago), and served initially in the South....
George II
Dec 2016
#54
I suspect that people believed all of these lies because they were already biased against Clinton.
Willie Pep
Dec 2016
#58
This really, REALLY, deserves to be its own OP and receive wide exposure. The
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2016
#61
I've thought about your points a lot. I've decided that I need to speak up more often.
yardwork
Jan 2017
#143
Yep. I tried to convince people on some local online forums a few months ago...
Buckeye_Democrat
Dec 2016
#62
That, and RUSSIA, because it can't be overstated that less than 1% in most swing
LaydeeBug
Dec 2016
#64
I actually think that Comey did more than just tip a narrow race one way as opposed to the other.
StevieM
Jan 2017
#144
For crying out loud he treated her with kid gloves. I suppose he was supposed to coddle her?
dionysus
Dec 2016
#79
Actually you are wrong-it was the Clinton campaign who handle Sanders with kid gloves
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#133
I think that plenty of damning fiction could have been easily created about other Dem candidates
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#89
Not just rural red places-- low info voters were at least hearing these fake stories everywhere
andym
Dec 2016
#98
In the real world in past primary contests, the candidates were all actual members of the party
Gothmog
Dec 2016
#128
So once again...you do not believe that the system is rigged at all in favor of the wealthy?
LiberalLovinLug
Jan 2017
#162
The DNC had nothing to do with the fact that Jewish, African American and Latino voters rejected
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#161
Thanks! I did leave out the gun issue by accident. The NRA was busy this year.
yardwork
Jan 2017
#140
She abdicated for 2/3 of the year. She never showed up to campaign in Swing States.
libdem4life
Jan 2017
#155