2016 Postmortem

lastone

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58. Love your speculation

Tue Jan 3, 2017, 11:51 PM

Jan 2017

But let's concentrate on what we do know eh?

The DNC / DWS put their boot on Sanders campaign and then in an election where anti establishment sentament was very high and a value attributed to Sanders did everything they could to help nominate one of the most dvisive and perceived as establishment canadate in history. And electorally at least lost.

Would Sanders have won, we'll never know so speculate all you want but it's reeks of bitterness against a fellow progressive not any thing remotely resembling a serious or thoughtful reflection on the primary.

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Attacks that would have been used effectively on Sanders if he were the Democratic nominee [View all] Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 OP

Will this stuff ever end? n/t rzemanfl Jan 2017 #1

what "stuff"? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #3

The Bernie would/wouldn't have lost stuff. It accomplishes nothing. n/t rzemanfl Jan 2017 #5

It's all that some have left. NWCorona Jan 2017 #10

Do you post the same protests in the "Bernie wudda won!" threads? baldguy Jan 2017 #21

I don't go looking for them. n/t rzemanfl Jan 2017 #22

Of course. baldguy Jan 2017 #23

Whatever that means. I thought my post made it clear I dread seeing both. n/t rzemanfl Jan 2017 #28

well thank the gods we had hillary!!!! bowens43 Jan 2017 #2

that is a different issue, but I think she was a better candidate overall than Bernie Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #4

Thank God, indeed. lapucelle Jan 2017 #6

environmental racist-- meaning his environmental policies might preferentially affect minorities? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #12

Kurt Eichenwald of Newsweek saw the opposition research on Sanders, lapucelle Jan 2017 #15

ah, thanks. Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #62

lol. this. Joe941 Jan 2017 #61

I don't know anybody who is pro-abortion MiniMe Jan 2017 #7

Too bad we never had the chance to find out.... TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #8

I agree it would have been in fascinating to see it play out Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #13

If those are the attacks that Bernie would have faced in the GE NWCorona Jan 2017 #9

Really? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #14

Yes. Really NWCorona Jan 2017 #19

Not really, there was a great deal of material Gothmog Jan 2017 #18

I don't take much stock in pundits who got very little right this election NWCorona Jan 2017 #20

Most apply to Warren HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #11

a lot of those things just don't have the power they used to, and I think Sanders could have JCanete Jan 2017 #16

I don't think we should under-estimate the power of rightwing bullshit after this past election Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #24

Sanders was treated with kid gloves by the Clinton campaign and there was a ton of material Gothmog Jan 2017 #17

that's a good piece, especially notable for when it was written Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #25

Sanders was treated with kid gloves Me. Jan 2017 #54

Think about what your premise is. HassleCat Jan 2017 #26

Favoring no restrictions at all on abortion.... bettyellen Jan 2017 #27

What restrictions are you in favor of? Just an honest question NWCorona Jan 2017 #32

I don't mind the current system that allows exceptions for the life and health for the mother or bettyellen Jan 2017 #36

I don't think it's weird. I believe it should be between a woman and her doctor NWCorona Jan 2017 #38

I think it's weird because it has zero support and would be a lightening rod for those religious bettyellen Jan 2017 #42

I can see it being a lightning rod as well but it's not like they would vote for him anyway NWCorona Jan 2017 #43

Well they would have used anything they could find. Unfortunately it's a big one for those bettyellen Jan 2017 #50

Yes they did. NWCorona Jan 2017 #56

What is it with this forum???? For some reason it's mired in looking behind rather than ahead. Vinca Jan 2017 #29

I'd vote for Bernie again in a heart beat. CentralMass Jan 2017 #30

Hillary's surrogates trotted out most of that already aikoaiko Jan 2017 #31

I keep waiting for info in that devastating op to drop. NWCorona Jan 2017 #33

There was a ton of good oppo on Sanders including tapes of his college course Gothmog Jan 2017 #34

This is nothing new and would only impact those that wouldn't have voted for him anyway. NWCorona Jan 2017 #37

Sanders was never vetted and so none of these materials had been used against Sanders Gothmog Jan 2017 #44

I never said that they wouldn't make effective ads I don't think they would have had NWCorona Jan 2017 #46

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Jan 2017 #48

And you want to school me on feelings. NWCorona Jan 2017 #49

That is because Sanders was running for media coverage and his efforts hurt the Democratic party Gothmog Jan 2017 #60

Match up polls are worthless Gothmog Jan 2017 #35

Maybe, but matchup polls said Hillary would lose to Trump and she did. They said Bernie would win. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #41

Go ask 538-I trust Nate Silver on this issue Gothmog Jan 2017 #45

538 may not have a good model when unconventional candidates are involved. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #47

How'd that work out for us....misplaced trust in my book Uggwearingdad Jan 2017 #57

The fact is, he generally outperformed Hillary in the rust belt, in the primaries. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #39

Yes. elleng Jan 2017 #52

I think we need to quit worrying about what the Republicans will say.. aidbo Jan 2017 #40

What's the point? HassleCat Jan 2017 #51

Except he wasn't the nominee, so why bring this up? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #53

Attack Attack attack..but just remember if Bernie Sanders had been the nominee we would INdemo Jan 2017 #55

Love your speculation lastone Jan 2017 #58

so in your mind, why do you think "DNC / DWS put their boot on Sanders campaign"? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #63

No way to know how attacking Bernie as Socialist vs. his greater authenticity would have played out MrPurple Jan 2017 #59

Bernie had not even been tested/vetted, and was a bit thin-skinned. Lil Missy Jan 2017 #64