2016 Postmortem

InAbLuEsTaTe

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120. You have to admit Bernie's presence in the race moved Hillary farther to the left... that's a given.

Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:35 AM

Jan 2017

Now, in MY opinion - wise as it is - that garnered her MORE votes in the general from the Democratic base than she otherwise would've received had she campaigned as a centrist candidate. IRONICALLY, had Hillary NATURALLY gravitated towards those progressive populist positions - instead of getting DRAGGED, kickin' and screamin' without a sincere belief in those positions - I'm not so sure Bernie would've felt compelled to run against her!! (He basically said as much.)

In any case, I believe Bernie did Hillary - AND the Democratic Party - a HUGE fuckin' favor by running against her in the primaries, as she would have gotten clobbered even worse in the Electoral College voting. So, instead of continually condemning Bernie, we should be singing his praises!!

You can disagree all you want, and throw in a few personal insults like many loyal Hillary followers are prone to do lately here on DU, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation.

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Cenk Uygur can kiss my ass [View all] rbrnmw Dec 2016 OP

Plus he needs to change the name of his channel to "All the Middle-Aged Turks" lapucelle Dec 2016 #1

Actually he has young Ana Kasparian as his co-host womanofthehills Dec 2016 #14

Yes, she's fantastic. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #76

Let's not talk about the fact that forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #20

Cenk you've lost your priviledge of complaint now sit back Ohioblue22 Dec 2016 #2

Gosh that's a really shallow stab at reality ain't it! lastone Dec 2016 #44

You may have warned us treestar Dec 2016 #54

uh-oh, no fair asking such discomforting questions! such a meanie! Bill USA Dec 2016 #57

Uh-oh...helping Trump win makes way worse than a meanie. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #69

And that was exactly the problem... not Bernie or his supporters. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #78

I do believe Bernie's run and failure to get out when it was clear he could not win, his refusal to Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #92

Yeahh, that "democracy" thing... always gettin in the way of tellin voters who to elect!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #93

+1! tecelote Jan 2017 #104

No it didn't...the attacks on Hillary and the party hurt us badly...we lost. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #119

You have to admit Bernie's presence in the race moved Hillary farther to the left... that's a given. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #120

If Sanders or O'Malley had been the nominee I guarantee you that we would have learned all about StevieM Dec 2016 #62

Yes, blame it all on Bernie... like Hillary is blameless. GMAB!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #77

she is blameless . it's bad enough the right went after her Ohioblue22 Jan 2017 #85

I stopped paying attention to the TYT a while back Gothmog Dec 2016 #3

I was playing a Bill Maher video on youtube rbrnmw Dec 2016 #4

I stopped watching Maher a while back also Gothmog Dec 2016 #11

He advocated for Hillary in the GE Nonhlanhla Dec 2016 #5

If by "advocate" you mean ... dawg Dec 2016 #17

He was not super enthusiastic, to be sure, Nonhlanhla Dec 2016 #21

Well I voted for Bernie in the primaries. dawg Dec 2016 #22

I feel the same way. Third Doctor Dec 2016 #24

Agree with your post. LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #34

Vicious, not viscous. You have to keep tabs on your hyperactive autocorrect . nt tblue37 Dec 2016 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #35

The horror of it all!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #79

is he still on the PUtin tv propaganda network? msongs Dec 2016 #6

That would be Thom Hartmann, Larry King, Ed Schultz, Mike Papantonio, etc. progressoid Dec 2016 #8

Nothing wrong with criticizing anyone .... LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #7

I love Jimmy Dore! Awesome guy. PotatoChip Dec 2016 #19

I agree... check077 Dec 2016 #71

Had Hillary HEEDED the criticism, instead of coasting to the end, we'd gratefully be rid of Fuhrer-Elect Cheeto Face and be callin her Madame President. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #80

CENK jodymarie aimee Dec 2016 #9

Agreed - Cenk and Ana are doing a great job covering Standing Rock womanofthehills Dec 2016 #15

And Bernie leading the charge... gotta love his tenacity!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #81

Agreed. We need a lot more of them. TonyPDX Dec 2016 #26

I'm in agreement. I think we need more like him JDC Dec 2016 #48

I agree with you! I love TYT jzodda Dec 2016 #55

Yes, one of the lone wolves crying out in the wilderness. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #82

people are unforgiving when you don't stand at attention behind their Candidate. They would rather JCanete Dec 2016 #66

If only they had heeded his warnings. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #83

Cenk, Moore, Maher, etc... can be complete assholes at times, but... killbotfactory Dec 2016 #68

glad there are other supporters Locrian Jan 2017 #89

spot on Locrian jodymarie aimee Jan 2017 #94

This is the same guy who said Sanders won Super Tuesday and would be the nominee. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #10

He said Hillary's support was soft, and Trump could win a couple days before the election killbotfactory Dec 2016 #12

Soft? It looks like he was correct. padfun Dec 2016 #28

Bullshit. n/t Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #49

Agree! brutus smith Dec 2016 #51

The poster you responded to was being sarcastic. And we don't know how Sanders would have done. StevieM Dec 2016 #63

No doubt!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #84

Boy does he look foolish now. LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #32

Why would you let him kiss your ass? He can go kiss La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #13

true rbrnmw Dec 2016 #16

I've got no time for TYT. They are part of the problem. dawg Dec 2016 #18

Yup they spent the whole campaign bashing her Thrill Dec 2016 #23

No they didn't. They held her to high standards, which shouldn't have been a problem. TonyPDX Dec 2016 #30

Oh yes they did? Where have you been? Al lyou have to do is search through their Thrill Dec 2016 #37

The polls were wrong. All of them. TonyPDX Dec 2016 #39

Michael Moore understood that once we turned our back on progressive populism, you could see the disaster comin from a mile away. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #86

I absolutely love Ana. She's one of the best journalists out there. jalan48 Dec 2016 #25

Sorry...there are no journalist anymore... Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #70

I like Cenk if for no other reason than he stood up to MSNBC when he worked for them. jalan48 Dec 2016 #73

I no longer watch any media including MSNBC... but Cenk did way Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #75

You obviously haven't been watching that closely. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #87

Cenk is an ass and I really do not care what he thinks Gothmog Dec 2016 #27

Did Cenk praise Trump for that Sprint deal he had nothing to do with? Charles Bukowski Dec 2016 #29

It endures. Meanwhile, where's Hillary? TonyPDX Dec 2016 #31

I dunno Charles Bukowski Dec 2016 #33

If we survive no one is going to laugh, and I'm hardly a millennial progressive. TonyPDX Dec 2016 #36

I wasn't pinning the blame solely on the BoBers Charles Bukowski Dec 2016 #42

Hillary probably has the biggest name recognition of any "private citizen" on the planet. TonyPDX Dec 2016 #43

Why would I appear butthurt attacking Bernie Busters, Charles Bukowski Dec 2016 #64

Sanders was not the candidate. In our other elections the losing candidate keeps a low profile . . . brush Jan 2017 #102

I'm less worried about what isn't a good look than saving the country. TonyPDX Jan 2017 #107

As a private citizen now without an office like Sanders and Warren she doesn't have much of . . . brush Jan 2017 #108

She doesn't have much of a platform? Only the biggest name recognition in the country. TonyPDX Jan 2017 #109

Re-read the last sentence. She knows it's time for new blood. brush Jan 2017 #110

It endures. Meanwhile, where's Hillary? LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #40

The fight endures. Have you given up? TonyPDX Dec 2016 #41

The fight endures. Have you given up? LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #45

I don't disagree with a single point you made. TonyPDX Dec 2016 #50

I am not a Bernie-basher and I don't think that most people who opposed him in the primaries StevieM Dec 2016 #65

Not at all. Charles Bukowski Dec 2016 #46

Hope springs eternal. TonyPDX Dec 2016 #47

The TYT covered the standing rock water protectors when the MSM was either silent... killbotfactory Dec 2016 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author blue cat Dec 2016 #38

Because Cenk Uygur was correct ... earthside Dec 2016 #52

yeah had he only saved it all from that POS I wouldn't mind rbrnmw Dec 2016 #53

It is interesting to see the GOP toadies of M$M pretending Trump was not the M$M's favorite son, and Bill USA Dec 2016 #56

I'm not a huge TYT fan, but I like Cenk from time to time. welivetotreadonkings Dec 2016 #58

Yeah, fuck him bravenak Dec 2016 #60

Dissent is not tolerated in the modern OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #67

Dissent is not the problem.... check077 Dec 2016 #72

Are we talking about Bernie now, or Trump? elehhhhna Jan 2017 #88

I disdain Trump, but.... check077 Jan 2017 #95

Truth is always important. I don't like it when my own party says to me "fall in line." JCanete Jan 2017 #100

Maybe because Sanders wouln't concede long after he had no chance. Weeks and weeks he kept . . . brush Jan 2017 #103

again who's fault is that. do you object to something that ended up being in Clinton's campaign or JCanete Jan 2017 #111

A novel way to look at it. They forced his hand to keep dividing the party brush Jan 2017 #112

I'm sorry, for my money, as a Democrat myself, he was a Dem. Shouldn't those of us in the party JCanete Jan 2017 #113

IMO he may as well have been running as a third party because he attacked the party continuously brush Jan 2017 #114

oh, you're all in the talking points zone I see. His platform certainly didn't neglect people of JCanete Jan 2017 #115

Blah de blah blah blah. If those people didn't listen to and vote according to trumps dog whistles.. brush Jan 2017 #116

I would say its about a two-party system being a fairly undemocratic condition that we find JCanete Jan 2017 #117

Cenk, what happened to you? betsuni Dec 2016 #74

From what friends who watch Cenk tell me .... LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #90

Ugh. cwydro Jan 2017 #91

He was a Trump surrogate. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #96

No he wasn't. Your power to conflate justified criticism, even distrust of our whole system, to JCanete Jan 2017 #99

Denial is strong around here Devil Child Jan 2017 #97

It's an odd time we live in TSIAS Jan 2017 #98

The left now consider Glenn Beck our friend. LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #105

Lost and stranded B C Butler Jan 2017 #101

I never bothered with Chunk Uighur or TYT. I'm a much happier Dem. nt LLStarks Jan 2017 #106

Fuck him. BigDemVoter Jan 2017 #118