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red dog 1

(29,338 posts)
12. We "probably" need to make changes?
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 03:58 PM
Jan 2017

No, we DEFINITELY need to make changes!

Hillary Clinton had her flaws, but her biggest mistake, imo, was to NOT choose either Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren as her running mate.

HRC got nearly 17 million votes (55%) and won 34 states
Bernie Sanders got more than 13 million votes (43%) and won 23 states
17 million votes to 13 million votes - that's NOT a huge win!
That clearly showed that the Democratic Party was split between the Clinton supporters and Sanders supporters

By choosing the candidate who won 23 states & got more than 43 percent of the vote as her running mate, Clinton would have "united" the Democratic Party, and would have easily defeated the Talking Yam, in spite of:
- Assange's Wikileaks release of HRC's emails
- The unprecedented "hack-attack" on the DNC and the Clinton campaign by a foreign power
- The treasonous letter James Comey sent to Congress 11 days prior to the election, (which was a clear violation of the Hatch Act of 1939)

In spite of all that, Clinton STILL would have defeated Trump, had her lead been 11 + points going into the election, instead of only 4 points.

The Republicans can steal elections only when the race is close.
Obama proved that in 2008 and 2012.

Had Hillary made a wiser choice for her running mate, we'd be talking about President-elect Clinton now.

In 2020, whoever the Democratic nominee turns out to be, he or she needs to remember Clinton's mistake in 2016, and not make that same mistake again.

Imo, If the Democratic Party goes into the 2020 presidential election as a UNITED party, they will defeat Trump or whoever else the GOP nominee is.

Amen brother n/t blue cat Jan 2017 #1
until what you suggest happens, we aren't going anywhere still_one Jan 2017 #2
"I'll stop if they'll stop!" nt JCanete Jan 2017 #3
Exactly. tecelote Jan 2017 #4
The lost art of coalition-building- it means work together on what you agree upon - and Kashkakat v.2.0 Jan 2017 #5
Until you figure out this is actually antithetical NCTraveler Jan 2017 #6
No I'm not. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #9
We also need to learn from our mistakes mtnsnake Jan 2017 #7
+ 1 red dog 1 Jan 2017 #11
In what direction? zipplewrath Jan 2017 #8
We need to make changes. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #10
We "probably" need to make changes? red dog 1 Jan 2017 #12
Ok, change "probably" to "clearly" Ken Burch Jan 2017 #13
"The tone here is hopelessly toxic at this point"? red dog 1 Jan 2017 #16
Actually, I'm amazed zipplewrath Jan 2017 #17
+++++++ uppityperson Jan 2017 #41
How do you know that Warren or Sanders even wanted the VP job? NobodyHere Jan 2017 #19
If not for caucuses, it wouldn't have been even remotely close. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #20
"I want Warren in the Senate"? red dog 1 Jan 2017 #21
I don't accept the premise that Sanders being on the ticket would have helped. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #22
Well, you're entitled to your opinion. red dog 1 Jan 2017 #23
Future aspiring nominees must recognize that... Garrett78 Jan 2017 #14
No one called for such an approach. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #25
It wasn't what he said it was what he did or didn't do dsc Jan 2017 #38
And neither he nor Hillary is going to run for president again. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #39
Hear, hear! nt DLevine Jan 2017 #15
More than anything, people need to realize that voting AGAINST something awful... NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #18
we nominated the person who won 4 million more votes La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #24
And what I'm saying is we shouldn't even be talking about that anymore. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #26
I am not the one relitigating a primary blowout La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #27
I'm not either. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #30
Again, this is not even a debate to be had La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #34
The whole point of this thread is that our conversation shouldn't be about who we nominated at all. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #35
AMEN! Fighting for best spot on the beach ignoring the January 20th tsunami. IADEMO2004 Jan 2017 #29
Well said!!! If we don't all pull together as ONE, divide and conquer will take us ALL down. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2017 #28
100% True. Snackshack Jan 2017 #31
Ken...this we can agree on! Trump is dangerous...all hands on deck. nt Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #32
That's what I'm saying. Thank you. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #36
We need an uprising. Lint Head Jan 2017 #33
Agree! MarvinGardens Jan 2017 #37
K&R uppityperson Jan 2017 #40
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