2016 Postmortem

Gothmog

(154,485 posts)

431. I live in the real world where facts and authorities are important

Tue Jan 10, 2017, 01:02 PM

Jan 2017

Sanders ran solely for media coverage and got it. In past races, the people running were all members of the Democratic Party and cared about the party. The same can not be said of Sanders who was running not to be the nominee but to get TV appearances and media coverage. Trump repeatedly quoted Sanders during the general election campaign to great effect. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2676605 In the real world, Sanders did not come close to supporting Hillary Clinton's campaign to the same extent that Hillary Clinton supported President Obama. http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-aftermath-20160609-snap-htmlstory.html

Again, I like living in the real world where facts matter. There are strong grounds for Hillary Clinton supporters to be very upset with Sanders and I am not alone in the view that Sanders played a major role in Trump's victory

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Dkos: No, Senator Sanders; YOU are out of touch (opinion piece) [View all] bravenak Jan 2017 OP

Enough of this crap. tecelote Jan 2017 #1

Kerry won independents in 2004 and Romney won them in 2012. most indies are partisans that lean one JI7 Jan 2017 #3

Then our job is to bring them in to the party, not exclude them. tecelote Jan 2017 #4

Then they need to join if they want to be included bravenak Jan 2017 #7

they exclude themselves. there is nothing banning them from joining JI7 Jan 2017 #8

That's not the impression I get. tecelote Jan 2017 #13

i'm talking about the idiots who voted for trump . they aren't victims JI7 Jan 2017 #15

Agreed. tecelote Jan 2017 #47

When he stops attacking democrats I will stfu bravenak Jan 2017 #5

He's not attacking, he's trying to make us stronger. tecelote Jan 2017 #11

How is ignoring my demographic then calling us corrupt helping us? bravenak Jan 2017 #16

What is your demographic and how is he ignoring it? tecelote Jan 2017 #17

Black folks bravenak Jan 2017 #18

I didn't see that. tecelote Jan 2017 #19

I did. Read the article. It's in there bravenak Jan 2017 #26

I see someone holding Trump accountable. We need that now. tecelote Jan 2017 #34

Bullshit. He spend more energy attacking democrats bravenak Jan 2017 #38

I respectfully disagree. tecelote Jan 2017 #41

SBS did not win the minority vote. You think you know better than they do, maybe Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #121

He did not win. Period. tecelote Jan 2017 #125

Nah. I'm more interested in the future, and SBS isn't it. Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #148

Respectfully angrychair Jan 2017 #156

I mostly agree with you bravenak Jan 2017 #166

I'm African-American, well half, and Sanders didn't ignore me. Exilednight Jan 2017 #33

Thank you! NWCorona Jan 2017 #36

I'm black and hispanic and female. He fucking ignored my blacks ass bravenak Jan 2017 #37

What did you want? metroins Jan 2017 #51

I wanted him to notice that his basic message that worked on white people bravenak Jan 2017 #53

You and I disagree metroins Jan 2017 #67

Thank you bravenak Jan 2017 #69

Oh bullshit. Kentonio Jan 2017 #392

Early in the campaign I was a Bernie supporter bravenak Jan 2017 #400

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #394

We preffered her and do not see him as our great white hope bravenak Jan 2017 #397

You prefered Hillary? Kentonio Jan 2017 #404

She won the most votes out of anybody besides obama bravenak Jan 2017 #407

Well said, brave! Cha Jan 2017 #419

Agree-great post Brave Gothmog Jan 2017 #425

Long thread Cha Jan 2017 #427

I saw something like this on JPR where they were applauding the booing of John Lewsi Gothmog Jan 2017 #412

There are valid reasons why many African American and other voters do not support Sanders Gothmog Jan 2017 #414

We didn't Jamaal510 Jan 2017 #416

Sanders HAD to "work with Black Lives Matters [sic] more than Hillary did".... George II Jan 2017 #417

Got to love the barefaced lies and revisionism you guys come out with. Kentonio Jan 2017 #420

How ironic. Scolding others for lies and revisionism, then still trying to peddle the old fake betsuni Jan 2017 #421

People don't need to read the transcript, they can watch the whole thing on video. Kentonio Jan 2017 #422

WTF. You are blaming African Americans for trump's win. How about those self-identified still_one Jan 2017 #418

You sound more like you have a grudge vs any actual argument. Exilednight Jan 2017 #52

You must have not listened then bravenak Jan 2017 #56

I didn't even realize you spoke on something of substance. Exilednight Jan 2017 #61

I guess you should research then bravenak Jan 2017 #63

I did. I'm done looking. Exilednight Jan 2017 #71

They both spoke of education but her plan was on point bravenak Jan 2017 #74

Yeah, that's why Hillary adopted it in her GE bid. Exilednight Jan 2017 #76

She spun those IDEAS into PLANS bravenak Jan 2017 #82

She took his plan word for word, from how to impliment it to paying for it. Exilednight Jan 2017 #87

No. Her plans we much more DETAILED bravenak Jan 2017 #89

It was word for word the exact same plan. Exilednight Jan 2017 #97

New York's going free college, right? SMC22307 Jan 2017 #113

Nope she always had more about early education and child care as well so bettyellen Jan 2017 #253

For your enjoyment... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #248

Were you here doing the campaign? There were raging arguments about Sanders' message . . . brush Jan 2017 #154

I'm still waiting for someone with intellgence who disagrees with Bernie to actually come up with a Exilednight Jan 2017 #185

Absolutely my perception as well. A lot of noisy but vacant diatribes, and finger wagging. JudyM Jan 2017 #261

You asked for it. Many disargreed with his campaign's disregard of the southern ... brush Jan 2017 #264

So...I'm going to lay this out there for your consideration... TCJ70 Jan 2017 #271

Everyone doesn't go to campaign web sites but they do listen to candidates and surrogates brush Jan 2017 #273

I didn't say there weren't issues... TCJ70 Jan 2017 #275

It's the responsibility also of the campaign to get their message out. brush Jan 2017 #277

It took BLM interrupting him TWICE for him to post that on his page bravenak Jan 2017 #276

As you have an obvious axe to grind... TCJ70 Jan 2017 #279

Then why show up to post on an op I posted if you dont want to hear what I have to say? bravenak Jan 2017 #283

As a voter in a southern state, I found this to be a great example Gothmog Jan 2017 #368

Even in the realm of economic issues forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #480

I totally agree that there are all kinds of ways that people of color are targeted and disadvantaged JCanete Jan 2017 #482

Free college is good in a vacuum but forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #483

Yes, that makes sense. I'll say that improving wages of underserved communities should improve JCanete Jan 2017 #484

Sanders was rejected soundly by Jewish, African and Latino votes Gothmog Jan 2017 #85

But now he is fighting for all of us. tecelote Jan 2017 #93

By selling books? Gothmog Jan 2017 #96

Petty. tecelote Jan 2017 #100

I live in the real world and so I never accepted the premise of Sanders so-called revolution Gothmog Jan 2017 #105

I live in the real world and welcome all who oppose Trump. tecelote Jan 2017 #109

+1 snowy owl Jan 2017 #117

Sanders helped to elect trump Gothmog Jan 2017 #129

+1...nt SidDithers Jan 2017 #138

Ever think that the leaks from the illegal Russian hack of the DNC that helped Trump in the general baldguy Jan 2017 #242

Those leaks clearly helped Sanders in the primaries Gothmog Jan 2017 #466

+1 lunamagica Jan 2017 #464

Do you approve of the Sanders delegates booing Congressman John Lewis at the National Convention?? Gothmog Jan 2017 #389

Yes. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #126

And books sales makes Bernie rich Gothmog Jan 2017 #130

They make Hillary and Obama rich, too... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #132

But Obama's and Clinton's books were worth reading Gothmog Jan 2017 #139

As are Sanders', the most popular national politician in America. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #161

But he didn't even win the Democratic primary. R B Garr Jan 2017 #190

Voters thought Hillary and the Clinton Machine had the better chance of beating Trump. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #200

Why can't Vermont have free tuition? Or single R B Garr Jan 2017 #207

Ask the Vermont state legislators and governor, not me. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #244

So Bernie shows up for pictures in New York, lol R B Garr Jan 2017 #246

I know it stings that it was Sanders' idea and that he and Cuomo made the announcement... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #250

Stings, but Sanders lost. R B Garr Jan 2017 #254

Sanders is still in office, shaping public policy. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #258

Yes, Sanders does appear to be giddy! He is clearly R B Garr Jan 2017 #265

Get back to me during the Trump inauguration... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #278

Wow, how out of touch. Bill is an ex-President. R B Garr Jan 2017 #285

Thanks for the lecture, but I actually support the Clintons... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #292

Bernie's candidates lost. So did his proposals. R B Garr Jan 2017 #302

RB, I just have to give you a fistbump. You are rocking this thread. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2017 #306

Thanks, Tarheel! R B Garr Jan 2017 #324

Me too giving fistibumps! Thank you, you are doing the work! betsuni Jan 2017 #307

Cheers to you, too, betsuni! You had an analogy the other day that R B Garr Jan 2017 #326

That's simply not true. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #452

It is completely true and you don't get to fix reality to benefit R B Garr Jan 2017 #456

+1 betsuni Jan 2017 #461

Sanders was on the ballot and underpreformed Clinton Gothmog Jan 2017 #467

I'm sure he will have as much efficacy shaping policy as he has in the past. nt fleabiscuit Jan 2017 #274

Who knew the *confederacy* was so far behind? brer cat Jan 2017 #402

Then how come practically everyone he endorsed lost? lunamagica Jan 2017 #465

See post 467 Gothmog Jan 2017 #477

Sanders is not that popular in many circles of the Democratic party Gothmog Jan 2017 #329

He's going around saying "Dems are out of touch".. did he not think Cha Jan 2017 #183

Sanders is trying to sell his book Gothmog Jan 2017 #371

blah blah blah...Sanders just now figured out that you can make money in politics after 25 years of JCanete Jan 2017 #381

Where are Sanders tax returns? Gothmog Jan 2017 #388

that is true, and if the did something actually shady, I will be disappointed. That said, JCanete Jan 2017 #391

I and others are looking forward to Sanders may FEC filings Gothmog Jan 2017 #398

No, The Systems Not Totally Rigged. But That Idea Sure Helped Donald Trump. Gothmog Jan 2017 #81

But now he is fighting for all of us. tecelote Jan 2017 #95

Sanders got into democratic primary for media coverage and money Gothmog Jan 2017 #101

Oh, come on. tecelote Jan 2017 #106

Sanders was in it for the media coverage and he suceeded Gothmog Jan 2017 #399

I'm waiting to see if he does... blue cat Jan 2017 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Jan 2017 #146

Geez. tecelote Jan 2017 #178

"But now he is fighting for all of us" LongtimeAZDem Jan 2017 #223

In Vietnam, the theory was WhiteTara Jan 2017 #215

So true! Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #219

"This is another hatchet piece designed to keep us fighting each other and to marginalize... tecelote Jan 2017 #221

Is he making us stronger or causing division...if he joined the party Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #241

Definetely stronger because no one else is trying to change Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #321

Most "Independants" are RWers that think the GOP is too liberal. baldguy Jan 2017 #30

Well then you might as well give up Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #155

We had a progressive candidate - HILLARY CLINTON! baldguy Jan 2017 #167

We've been 'round this block before... Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #233

Oh, FFS. If we're supposed to be focusing on battling the Republicans then Sanders should STFU baldguy Jan 2017 #239

So, I guess that means you don't want me on your team? Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #257

We don't need people who believe every RW lie about the Dems and our candidates that comes along. baldguy Jan 2017 #320

+10000 betsuni Jan 2017 #322

+ 20000!! eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #334

Sorry to hear that you're no longer a Democrat Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #335

You and the Republicans would love to see Democrats abandon the party. baldguy Jan 2017 #405

Well, then I'm glad to hear you welcome Bernie Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #413

As long as Sanders keeps using RW talking points to attack Democrats, he'll never be a Democrat. baldguy Jan 2017 #415

They exclude themselves Tavarious Jackson Jan 2017 #72

We lost on every level. tecelote Jan 2017 #78

Sorry, BS is going around saying that Dems lost the GE because we Cha Jan 2017 #177

We lost on the local level in a big way. tecelote Jan 2017 #198

Good Job... RazBerryBeret Jan 2017 #2

Better than the phony stuff that deifies one guy who ignored my demographic bravenak Jan 2017 #6

Still confused by this. Are you frustrated that he didn't campaign hard enough for your demographic, JCanete Jan 2017 #336

I am pissed that he could not be trusted to listen when we said, 'yo peeps is trippin' bravenak Jan 2017 #359

How is this supposed to help anything? Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #9

How is attacking the democratic party and calling us 'out of touch' helpful bravenak Jan 2017 #12

I see what you are doing as alienating Bernie progressives that ended up voting for Hillary Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #21

They alienate me by ignoring any accomplishment of any dems that are not him bravenak Jan 2017 #27

Who is they? The people on DU? Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #79

The people who deify politicians bravenak Jan 2017 #83

Then we kind of agree on something Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #86

Me neither. None of them bravenak Jan 2017 #88

You sound remarkably like the "Do you know Jesus" folks okasha Jan 2017 #59

Do you know what a freethinker is? Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #64

Your devotion says otherwise. okasha Jan 2017 #68

Bless your heart Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #80

Trust me, Bravenak has zero impact on Bernie progressives who ended up... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #77

Thanks. And goodbye 2016 Postmortem. Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #84

I find it hilarious. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #110

Another similarity to that 'racist' campaign. yallerdawg Jan 2017 #10

Ahh, the regatta!!! Best place for unity with minorities. bravenak Jan 2017 #14

Aren't you in a state with an abundance of water? SMC22307 Jan 2017 #159

Or upstate NY NWCorona Jan 2017 #45

Or rural Pennsylvania... yallerdawg Jan 2017 #91

Bill Clinton and Jake Sullivan were right about those states. NWCorona Jan 2017 #92

Yep bravenak Jan 2017 #142

And here are POC applauding Sanders and Cuomo at the free college announcement. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #247

Your Bernie Hate Obession is really unhealthy Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #20

+1000 Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #22

+1 snowy owl Jan 2017 #24

Then ignore me if you can bravenak Jan 2017 #28

This. retrowire Jan 2017 #118

Seems to be some boat-envy as well. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #162

So now the Berners are big on disposable income R B Garr Jan 2017 #249

Yes. I grew up in Maryland... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #252

You do seem to be enjoying brave's threads! R B Garr Jan 2017 #259

Have you been land-locked your entire life? SMC22307 Jan 2017 #267

So all those people on boats behind Bernie in R B Garr Jan 2017 #270

Beats the hell out of me... I haven't analyzed the photo. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #284

How about Bernie-supporting Susan Sarandon's $50 million R B Garr Jan 2017 #287

I don't follow her... is she the seafarin' type? SMC22307 Jan 2017 #352

Surely boats aren't the only thing you think about buying if you R B Garr Jan 2017 #378

I live in MD forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #318

That's nice. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #449

Uh, I spent a significant portion of my childhood in Maryland as well. Bullshit. kcr Jan 2017 #333

Uh, indeed! Many of the less wealthy do heavily prioritize it... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #450

Time to stop complaining and get out into the streets portlander23 Jan 2017 #164

It'll go away as soon as Sanders admits that he lost & stops attacking Democrats. baldguy Jan 2017 #176

True dat bravenak Jan 2017 #216

Thank you! Cha Jan 2017 #236

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #309

Me too lunamagica Jan 2017 #469

Sanders will not stopping attacking democrats because he has books to sell Gothmog Jan 2017 #476

Actually, your trying to kill the messenger because you can't address Cha Jan 2017 #235

Yep melman Jan 2017 #263

Thank You! + 10000000000000000000000000 NeoConsSuck Jan 2017 #448

Good To Read Me. Jan 2017 #23

Me too bravenak Jan 2017 #29

Dems have lost a record of number of states... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #116

And this is why the Democrats are incapable of uniting behind anyone. Binkie The Clown Jan 2017 #25

We dont all have to be in love with him to be real democrats bravenak Jan 2017 #31

The way I look at it is... check077 Jan 2017 #114

The primary is over. You're only helping Trump at this point. DLevine Jan 2017 #32

Him attacking the party is what helps Trump bravenak Jan 2017 #39

You are working very hard to divide DUers. DLevine Jan 2017 #42

And calling democrats out of touch helps who? bravenak Jan 2017 #60

Why still arguing about Bernie? snowy owl Jan 2017 #35

He failed to break even bravenak Jan 2017 #40

One reason? yallerdawg Jan 2017 #43

I participated in gotv efforts in my neighborhood (mostly black) and colleges NWCorona Jan 2017 #44

I am younger than you bravenak Jan 2017 #57

Yes you are but not by much :) NWCorona Jan 2017 #66

I liked bernie better bravenak Jan 2017 #75

You liked B better? Really? Based on your DU writings, I'm surprised. snowy owl Jan 2017 #115

Be surprised if you want to bravenak Jan 2017 #133

That Seattle rally when the mic was taken out of his hand? He didn't complain -- Akamai Jan 2017 #280

It was the nasty reaction by his group to black people and black lives matter bravenak Jan 2017 #282

Bravenak -- you are very, very naive, I think if those insults changed your mind. You think Akamai Jan 2017 #286

They were people who used to post here for years bravenak Jan 2017 #288

How many progressives that you know did that versus the total number of people doing that? Akamai Jan 2017 #290

Did you miss that summer here? bravenak Jan 2017 #291

Daniel Kahnman wrote a book about thinking mistakes, and he himself said Akamai Jan 2017 #294

Go read the articles from the summer of 2015 bravenak Jan 2017 #295

Really, you are absolutely sure that David Brock and his admitted Akamai Jan 2017 #297

Umm hmm. bravenak Jan 2017 #298

So you got stats on this? Not simply stating your opinion? Akamai Jan 2017 #301

Why would I need stats? Do you think they poll everything in life? Thats crazy bravenak Jan 2017 #305

Here: bravenak Jan 2017 #300

Once again. Who knows how many of them were not trolls? Akamai Jan 2017 #303

It doesnt matter how many bravenak Jan 2017 #304

For a while I tried to seperate Sanders from that shit too. It just got too much to ignore. forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #319

I tried to too bravenak Jan 2017 #343

Also, keep in mind that states w/high black populations voted first. PotatoChip Jan 2017 #360

yes. They voted first before he had name recognition, and the "liberal" media outlets JCanete Jan 2017 #361

Yes, the media collusion with the Clinton campaign was disgraceful. PotatoChip Jan 2017 #369

Iowa and New Hampshire are two 90%+ white states Gothmog Jan 2017 #401

Bernie Sanders also said my vote should not count because i am from Alabama. stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #46

Oh, the confederacy bravenak Jan 2017 #54

Nor mine since I am from Florida mcar Jan 2017 #65

No, that's not what he said at all. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #122

Also related to this, he did not think that the primaries should be front-loaded Akamai Jan 2017 #281

Would it have been a bigger waste brer cat Jan 2017 #410

Sanders also want to reject my vote because I am Texas Gothmog Jan 2017 #372

In the interest of constructive criticism my perception is that his reliance on RW talking points ucrdem Jan 2017 #48

He lost his MOJO? Hardly. It's stronger than ever and he's making history NWCorona Jan 2017 #50

He didn't crash and burn, but he lost by 6.1%, and CA was his only hope. ucrdem Jan 2017 #62

If it was decided well before he started it was because people didn't know him NWCorona Jan 2017 #70

Not exactly. He was riding high all summer until the first debate. ucrdem Jan 2017 #73

Not exactly. A look at the polling tend lines says otherwise. NWCorona Jan 2017 #90

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #310

Exactly, ucr.. " And that is one reason many are still furious at the way he conducted his campaign" Cha Jan 2017 #232

Trump used those lines to perfection bravenak Jan 2017 #58

Well-said. BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #99

Maybe we're all out of touch in our own way. HassleCat Jan 2017 #49

True bravenak Jan 2017 #55

But what about Killer Mike, bravenak?... SidDithers Jan 2017 #94

Yeah, I heard Bernie Sanders ate SOUL FOOD with Killer Mike. betsuni Jan 2017 #98

Killer Mike is pretty good, but Animotion is more apropos. QC Jan 2017 #108

I know, lol bravenak Jan 2017 #112

I prefer Harry Belafonte NWCorona Jan 2017 #140

Awesome! Although the Woodchucks... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #169

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #311

... Quayblue Jan 2017 #337

Seriously, go away already....hillary lost . get over it and move on bowens43 Jan 2017 #102

Sanders Who Isn't A Democrat Should STFU otohara Jan 2017 #181

Agree bravenak Jan 2017 #191

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #312

What does faithful democrat mean to you? And people have a very very narrow lens through which JCanete Jan 2017 #327

It Means - Don't Take A Giant Public Dump On The Winner otohara Jan 2017 #366

You want to use the worst examples of Sanders supporters to define all of us. Wouldn't you object to JCanete Jan 2017 #370

+1 liquid diamond Jan 2017 #377

Whatever. Snackshack Jan 2017 #103

Did you see his appearance on MSNBC this morning? What he said was not "uniting". George II Jan 2017 #144

He's fought for PoC in the past.. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #104

There were valid reasons why POC and other groups rejected Sanders Gothmog Jan 2017 #119

I voted for Obama in '08 and '12, and I was extremely relieved... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #163

Please don't start again with this tired shit. Chitown Kev Jan 2017 #123

+1 snowy owl Jan 2017 #131

I wasn't on DU during the primaries, nor did I vote at all in Ohio's primary. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #147

I wasn't all that excited by Clinton either, to be honest Chitown Kev Jan 2017 #153

we need new leadership, people like Gavin Newsom. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #220

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #313

That was not sufficient to win our votes forty years later bravenak Jan 2017 #134

Do you guys realize that the year is now 2017? Quayblue Jan 2017 #338

Fine. Its not something he did, and usually this was brought up in response to JCanete Jan 2017 #339

The culture sorounding him is why he was rejected bravenak Jan 2017 #350

You tried to make that his base is what you tried to do. nt JCanete Jan 2017 #351

It is his base. They post at jpr now bravenak Jan 2017 #353

see! well at least you don't deny it. I know plenty of Sanders supporters, none of which are as you JCanete Jan 2017 #356

Then they should have noticed us complaining and checked their friends bravenak Jan 2017 #362

That behavior was largely exaggerated as to its actual reach and scope, intentionally so. A lie JCanete Jan 2017 #363

Only white people say racism is exaggerated bravenak Jan 2017 #365

but that isn't what I said. I told you it wasn't many of us. I certainly didn't know any and if I JCanete Jan 2017 #367

You do not know how many; I dont know how many bravenak Jan 2017 #374

of course it caused a rift. It was designed to. JCanete Jan 2017 #376

If there was a concerted effort to paint him as bad, why feed the fire? bravenak Jan 2017 #382

she outright told people in the black community that if "that" was how they were going to approach JCanete Jan 2017 #383

She was right bravenak Jan 2017 #384

a hit job that is directed at the carrier of a progressive message that takes on the institutions, JCanete Jan 2017 #386

Actually, they do have a better social justice platform bravenak Jan 2017 #393

How do we discuss this. If I can't point out why I think he's better on social issues, JCanete Jan 2017 #395

We can discuss it fine bravenak Jan 2017 #396

I do realize that and have said so repeatedly. You keep ascribing a behavior to me that either does JCanete Jan 2017 #403

You are right about that, we need to not trust politicians, and really, I only do trust Obama bravenak Jan 2017 #406

Fair enough. I appreciate that you're a considerate communicator and honest broker when it comes to JCanete Jan 2017 #408

Thank you, I enjoyed our discussion bravenak Jan 2017 #409

This ONE fucking sentence sums up two fucking centuries+ of Left failure. Goddamn I'm in awe. forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #457

Well said! mcar Jan 2017 #411

I got to deal with that base first hand at the National Convention Gothmog Jan 2017 #373

My condolences for your experience at the hands of bad actors. I wish we as humans were better JCanete Jan 2017 #380

They were delegates to the national convention and so should have represented sanders base Gothmog Jan 2017 #387

Okay forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #379

Did anyone read the article? Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #385

The DNC is not out of touch, we put Sanders issues in our platform, Thinkingabout Jan 2017 #111

He brought people into the party. Some left, some stayed. That helped HRC. End of story. snowy owl Jan 2017 #120

Too much turmoil, continuing that turmoil WILL NOT unite of help the DNC. Thinkingabout Jan 2017 #124

totally agree snowy owl Jan 2017 #127

In the real world, Sanders's so-called revolution failed and he did not bring in new voters Gothmog Jan 2017 #375

THIS! check077 Jan 2017 #135

I love this article-it is a great piece Gothmog Jan 2017 #128

It has points I agree with but might be a bit... bravenak Jan 2017 #145

It is well written piece Gothmog Jan 2017 #330

Sanders complaining about others not listening and being out of touch is ironic. betsuni Jan 2017 #136

Oh yeah. bravenak Jan 2017 #149

And yet, Sanders is the de facto voice of the Democratic Party Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #137

Why was he not there to oppose the EC confirming Trump, then? bravenak Jan 2017 #152

Because he knows how it works. Why waste his time? HRC wasn't there either. snowy owl Jan 2017 #157

I'm fine with that bravenak Jan 2017 #160

You're too easily annoyed. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #165

I find the Bernie-is-the-ONLY-one-fighting claim to be offensive. betsuni Jan 2017 #170

It's like he is a god bravenak Jan 2017 #172

In the immortal words of Lee Daniels... do the work! SMC22307 Jan 2017 #192

No, I have a feeling you have much, much, much more free time to post things online. betsuni Jan 2017 #251

Lame excuse. I've been here since 2013... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #255

That should be, "I've been here since 2013 -- WHERE WAS HILLARY?!!" betsuni Jan 2017 #256

What the hell does that even mean? You trying to peg me... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #262

Oh, my. Just havin' some fun with the "Where was Hillary"! You told me to do more work... betsuni Jan 2017 #266

Doesn't that pic bring a smile to your face? SMC22307 Jan 2017 #269

LOL, article says the Cuomo plan is closer to Hillary's. R B Garr Jan 2017 #289

Yet Bernie was sitting by Cuomo's side. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #293

Sitting in a state that Hillary won with a proposal R B Garr Jan 2017 #299

Can't deny these optics... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #453

I have to laugh that you think Bernie soaking up the spotlight is some R B Garr Jan 2017 #462

Sanders was out on a tour to sell books Gothmog Jan 2017 #468

Wasn't it the CBC who stood up during the EC certification? Again mcar Jan 2017 #194

Yep bravenak Jan 2017 #209

Don't forget Gandhi! mcar Jan 2017 #211

Mother Theresa!! bravenak Jan 2017 #213

Rosa Parks! mcar Jan 2017 #217

I know, lol bravenak Jan 2017 #218

Sheila Jackson Lee was part of the group standing up Gothmog Jan 2017 #355

Indeed, that question should be asked 48 times Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #195

Damn straight bravenak Jan 2017 #206

is bashing the DNC going to help, no, and telling the DNC will not unite the party Thinkingabout Jan 2017 #173

One person's bashing is another's constructive criticism n/t Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #199

How about constructive ideas, how about getting touch with the DNC, Thinkingabout Jan 2017 #224

The only thing we need to remember marked50 Jan 2017 #141

They are not my enemies, but some of them think democrats as a whole are their enemies. bravenak Jan 2017 #151

I would place those who "think democrats as a whole are their enemies" as those who are against marked50 Jan 2017 #180

Those who dole out criticisms must learn to accept criticisms. This is criticism in written form. bravenak Jan 2017 #187

Well, you are going about it in a pretty non-productive way. marked50 Jan 2017 #196

I do not find his way very productive either but I decided to give the old college try bravenak Jan 2017 #203

Be careful of tying your identity to closely to a "label or ideology" is all I can suggest. marked50 Jan 2017 #210

I know who I am bravenak Jan 2017 #214

I wish we still had 'UNRECOMMEND'.... alittlelark Jan 2017 #143

Well, we don't, so.... bravenak Jan 2017 #150

Bwahaha... New York is going free college tuition. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #158

Your post makes me very happy! He's left his mark. In a dark future, his may be the brightest light. snowy owl Jan 2017 #168

Think of all the POC it will help... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #179

Hey, they both ran fine campaigns elmac Jan 2017 #171

This is just a response to him calling democrats out of touch bravenak Jan 2017 #174

Do you post only divisive horseshit? EvolveOrConvolve Jan 2017 #175

Do you post your own ops? bravenak Jan 2017 #184

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You seem angry bravenak Jan 2017 #201

Of course I'm angry EvolveOrConvolve Jan 2017 #205

I'm pissed too bravenak Jan 2017 #208

That's your goal achieved then melman Jan 2017 #260

"Just try not to get in the way." SMC22307 Jan 2017 #193

Really ..its getting a little tiresome reading this shit about Bernie Sanders which is Bull shit INdemo Jan 2017 #182

Dont read it bravenak Jan 2017 #188

BS lost the primary by almost 4 million votes because his Cha Jan 2017 #204

Please enough humbled_opinion Jan 2017 #186

I dont think calling the party out of touch is helpful bravenak Jan 2017 #189

Interesting, isn't it, that when Bernie criticizes fellow Democrats, he's helping them by speaking EffieBlack Jan 2017 #226

Very interesting bravenak Jan 2017 #227

You're just being honest and are only helping him see the error of his ways and do better EffieBlack Jan 2017 #228

Nothing should be wrong with it bravenak Jan 2017 #229

+1, Calling dems out of touch is overtly dismissive of CALCULATED effects of voter suppression and uponit7771 Jan 2017 #314

I had hoped he was just caught up in the campaign and would act right later bravenak Jan 2017 #364

The party is out of touch though. It just is. It thinks it can win by being friendly with big money. JCanete Jan 2017 #331

And so is he, out of touch bravenak Jan 2017 #342

but you don't like that he's saying the party is out of touch. Do you want that to continue? nt JCanete Jan 2017 #345

When one points a finger they oft find a hundred pointing back bravenak Jan 2017 #346

You didn't address the ways I called us out of touch in the previous post. Repeating that we aren't JCanete Jan 2017 #347

You are wrong. We win millions more votes, we touch lives bravenak Jan 2017 #348

Our party loses elections because of the media. Yes or no? nt JCanete Jan 2017 #349

The media and the fact that we are scared to be mean back to republicans bravenak Jan 2017 #354

so you do agree with me, our approach IS out of touch! We don't do the very thing you say we need JCanete Jan 2017 #357

I have my reasons. I refuse to join Dtrump in trashing my party bravenak Jan 2017 #358

In some families, especially those of marginalized groups of whatever color forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #458

Well again, Sanders is welcome into the party by those of us in the party. You can say he's a JCanete Jan 2017 #471

But, BS going around saying the "Dems lost because they are out Cha Jan 2017 #230

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #315

Better than calling them "morally depraved" and accusing them QC Jan 2017 #325

K&R! R B Garr Jan 2017 #202

I would love for him to focus on republican corruption bravenak Jan 2017 #212

Absolutely. It would be a refreshing change. R B Garr Jan 2017 #268

So America Isn't An Oligarchy? OldYallow Jan 2017 #296

I bet that Carter would rather have Clinton as President than Trump. R B Garr Jan 2017 #323

BS elleng Jan 2017 #222

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Laying low... sheshe2 Jan 2017 #231

I should do that too bravenak Jan 2017 #234

Yeah, well we do what we need to do. sheshe2 Jan 2017 #237

Oh, good, something needs done about that bravenak Jan 2017 #238

Yup.... sheshe2 Jan 2017 #240

No! This thread is like a fast-paced action movie, it is very entertaining. betsuni Jan 2017 #243

Hee hee bravenak Jan 2017 #245

except for the part kcdoug1 Jan 2017 #272

And yet he couldn't even win the Primary with those crowds. randome Jan 2017 #308

... or Russia hacked stated and local electoral boards and the RWTP became "didn't affect election" uponit7771 Jan 2017 #317

+1, dems out of touch there was no Comey, Russia and voter suppression. Blame the victim shit uponit7771 Jan 2017 #316

Agreed.. I am so tired of him. He lost to Hillary. How can he give any advice? nt asuhornets Jan 2017 #328

Sanders lost because he was out of touch with minorities and Clinton lost because hollowdweller Jan 2017 #332

The obsession is pretty sad Arazi Jan 2017 #340

Bullshit. Orsino Jan 2017 #341

Yes because Jewish, African American and Latino voters rejected Sanders Gothmog Jan 2017 #390

Truth. nt LexVegas Jan 2017 #344

It does hurt when he still spews bullshit like this: Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #423

That makes the vomit rise in my throat bravenak Jan 2017 #424

Sanders is ignoring his role in helping Trump win Gothmog Jan 2017 #426

I disagree that he had a role in that. The corporate media however...so I do not really know JCanete Jan 2017 #428

I live in the real world where facts and authorities are important Gothmog Jan 2017 #431

So you aren't a simple computer algorithm then? I'm glad you cleared that up for me, for like the JCanete Jan 2017 #434

That is amusing coming from someone who does not use facts in his/her/its posts Gothmog Jan 2017 #435

Exactly why I never trusted him. Quayblue Jan 2017 #429

He was asked to say something positive about Trump given that he'd called him a pathological liar. JCanete Jan 2017 #430

No. Sanders' backhanded compliments focus on himself. That's why his comment R B Garr Jan 2017 #432

The media gave him no such pass. You paid attention to a different primary than I did. JCanete Jan 2017 #433

This is just another version of Bernie Math to make him out to be R B Garr Jan 2017 #436

I don't give a fuck what Trump picked up and ran with. He's a crazy motherfucker. JCanete Jan 2017 #438

So you're basically saying that Sanders' whole platform is nothing but R B Garr Jan 2017 #439

Irresponsible to name specific names, without an investigation. They already knew banks had broken JCanete Jan 2017 #441

lol, so now it's "irresponsible" to name names of people he is R B Garr Jan 2017 #460

He wasn't accusing Clinton of illegal corruption though. He just wasn't. He was saying that money JCanete Jan 2017 #470

He was unable to prove that money influenced Clinton, but R B Garr Jan 2017 #473

you don't understand what the criticism of incrementalism was, and frankly, a lot of JCanete Jan 2017 #475

Yeah, it was not hard to understand Sanders' rhetoric because it was R B Garr Jan 2017 #478

okay, I think we can both agree this conversation isn't going anywhere. You aren't bothering to JCanete Jan 2017 #479

Sure thing, but again, it's not hard to come up with really exciting R B Garr Jan 2017 #481

total BS garybeck Jan 2017 #437

That race card you play every day on here is getting frayed LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #440

If you think black women discussing race us race baiting then YOU ARE THE ONE WITH bravenak Jan 2017 #442

whoooooosh LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #446

I read it all the time bravenak Jan 2017 #447

The things that are frayed are the condescending jerk cards. betsuni Jan 2017 #455

You are too funny bravenak Jan 2017 #463

why thank you LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #472

"Getting"? SMC22307 Jan 2017 #454

yes you are correct LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #474

To all those who smear this as divisive. Sanders is the one who is continuing the divide. kcr Jan 2017 #443

Exactly. At any time he can decide to just simply stop crapping on dems bravenak Jan 2017 #444

He isn't praising Trump. He hasn't praised Trump. Saying that he won the election with JCanete Jan 2017 #445

Sanders said "Trump took on the Establishment". forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #459

The president spoke on this subject tonight HassleCat Jan 2017 #451