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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: The Root: Pipe Down, Bernie Sanders [View all]Gothmog
(154,593 posts)97. There are good reasons why Sanders is not appealing to African American and other voters
The Sanders campaign did not appeal to many demographic groups (including the Jewish vote) for a host of reasons. One good reason is that Sanders repeatedly attacked President Obama which alienated a large number of key demographic groups. There is a vast difference in how Sanders supporters and Sanders view President Obama and how other Democrats view President Obama. I admit that I am impressed with the amount accomplished by President Obama in face of the stiff GOP opposition to every one of his proposals and I personally believe that President Obama has been a great President. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-sanders-obama_us_56aa378de4b05e4e3703753a?utm_hp_ref=politics
But lurking behind this argument about the future is a dispute that's really about the past. Its a debate over what Obama accomplished in office -- in particular, how significant those accomplishments really are. And it's been simmering on the left for most of the last seven years.
On one side of this divide are activists and intellectuals who are ambivalent, disappointed or flat-out frustrated with what Obama has gotten done. They acknowledge what they consider modest achievements -- like helping some of the uninsured and preventing the Great Recession from becoming another Great Depression. But they are convinced that the president could have accomplished much more if only hed fought harder for his agenda and been less quick to compromise.
They dwell on the opportunities missed, like the lack of a public option in health care reform or the failure to break up the big banks. They want those things now -- and more. In Sanders, they are hearing a candidate who thinks the same way.
On the other side are partisans and thinkers who consider Obama's achievements substantial, even historic. They acknowledge that his victories were partial and his legislation flawed. This group recognizes that there are still millions of people struggling to find good jobs or pay their medical bills, and that the planet is still on a path to catastrophically high temperatures. But they see in the last seven years major advances in the liberal crusade to bolster economic security for the poor and middle class. They think the progress on climate change is real, and likely to beget more in the future.
On one side of this divide are activists and intellectuals who are ambivalent, disappointed or flat-out frustrated with what Obama has gotten done. They acknowledge what they consider modest achievements -- like helping some of the uninsured and preventing the Great Recession from becoming another Great Depression. But they are convinced that the president could have accomplished much more if only hed fought harder for his agenda and been less quick to compromise.
They dwell on the opportunities missed, like the lack of a public option in health care reform or the failure to break up the big banks. They want those things now -- and more. In Sanders, they are hearing a candidate who thinks the same way.
On the other side are partisans and thinkers who consider Obama's achievements substantial, even historic. They acknowledge that his victories were partial and his legislation flawed. This group recognizes that there are still millions of people struggling to find good jobs or pay their medical bills, and that the planet is still on a path to catastrophically high temperatures. But they see in the last seven years major advances in the liberal crusade to bolster economic security for the poor and middle class. They think the progress on climate change is real, and likely to beget more in the future.
Again, I am not ashamed to admit that I like President Obama and think that he has accomplished a great deal which is why I did not mind Hillary Clinton promising to continue President Obama's legacy. There are valid reasons why many non-African American democrats (me included) and many African American Democratic voters did not support Sanders and will have issues with Keith Ellison as DNC chair.
I like living in the real world. In the real world there were valid reasons why Sanders was rejected by key demographic groups and you can not pretend that these groups will support Sanders plans to remake the Democratic Party in his own image with Ellison.
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So we cant complain about him but he can complain about us. Got it. He's more important
bravenak
Jan 2017
#11
It keeps him on the front page and groups keep paying to have him speak.
redstatebluegirl
Jan 2017
#242
That's what I'm telling him. Walk the walk. Can't learn from anybody if he's the one doing all
bravenak
Jan 2017
#34
Speaking of "walk the walk", have we heard a single word in defense of Rep. John Lewis...
George II
Jan 2017
#66
Yes -- you obviously just chose not to see his statement. It was posted on this site
KPN
Jan 2017
#206
I "chose" not to see it? Before I said anything about it I checked his website. Not there (yet)
George II
Jan 2017
#212
Substantive is in the eye of the beholder. As for "woulda, coulda, shoulda", perhaps....
George II
Jan 2017
#226
Didn't the polling data suggest that the more Bernie campaigned, more POC voted for him?
aikoaiko
Jan 2017
#73
With all that's coming out about the ruskies cyber-hacking and perhaps more than that...
LenaBaby61
Jan 2017
#187
This is the answer, too much hurt feelings and distrust left over from this election
Eliot Rosewater
Jan 2017
#81
He is trying to help fix a party that has been GUTTED all over the country at every level!
RBInMaine
Jan 2017
#285
Identity politics are like the most important thing along with political correctness and things of
bravenak
Jan 2017
#244
And once again, black people and other minorities are the MOST reliable members
forjusticethunders
Jan 2017
#273
He can fight for progressive goals without fighting the Dem party. Fight the effin repugs...
brush
Jan 2017
#153
Well said. I don't disagree other than the anti-war bit but I'll leave that alone.
tecelote
Jan 2017
#65
Definitely too much conflict between factions. We need to emphasize working together more.
randome
Jan 2017
#67
Would you be welcoming someone who keeps bad-mouthing you? It works both ways.
randome
Jan 2017
#202
But Sanders has not joined the Democratic Party and is running for re-election as an indie
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#250
I like the real world and for me Sanders' platform was not realistic and was based on a "revolution"
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#276
Nobody ever called him racist. It was called tone deaf. And the point stands with his anti PC
bravenak
Jan 2017
#10
There are good reasons why Sanders is not appealing to African American and other voters
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#97
As you noted, you were in the minority of the African American community on this issye
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#131
I got to meet Congressman Lewis iniatially because of my work in voter protection
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#220
I dispute your contention that only a "minuscule" number of DUers posted on JPR.
yardwork
Jan 2017
#194
Strange how so many have nothing to say about Russian hacking or Donald's Russian support
UCmeNdc
Jan 2017
#31
He could start with stop smearing allies of the left who disagree with him on minor points.
JHan
Jan 2017
#55
examples of smearing people who disagree with him on minor points, please, particularly as
JCanete
Jan 2017
#230
your first post was rehashing. These 13 dems didn't have a minor disagreement. nt
JCanete
Jan 2017
#232
In the interest of "transparency", the bombastic title is "Shut Up Bernie Sanders" (not my title)
George II
Jan 2017
#62
So, you are saying that because Sanders ran a campaign to win the election...
Talk Is Cheap
Jan 2017
#89
Sanders claimed that the system was rigged and Trump quoted Sanders on numerous occassions
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#134
Yes, he did help Trump win, and thank you for your factual links and contributions
R B Garr
Jan 2017
#193
Posts critical of Bernie never get removed, OTH,posts critical of Corey Booker do.
m-lekktor
Jan 2017
#127
if you haven't been paying attention, there has been a great consolidation of wealth in the pockets
JCanete
Jan 2017
#144
Unnuanced articles that simply want to make one of the voices of the left/center-left bad or wrong,
JCanete
Jan 2017
#136
Your neener-neener posts don't change the fact that Bernie lost the primary. Sorry,
R B Garr
Jan 2017
#256
Such a failed message that he was invited to participate in yesterday's tribute to MLK, Jr...
SMC22307
Jan 2017
#259
EVERYONE was invited to commemorate MLK day. It's a national holiday set aside
R B Garr
Jan 2017
#264
Well, none of us are SENATORS on this board, so it's a silly analogy to ask why
R B Garr
Jan 2017
#272
The Church is described as a "favorite" of politicians. Seriously, it fits the pattern that you
R B Garr
Jan 2017
#280
Yes, he's done quite an about-face on identity politics now that he can get media attention
R B Garr
Jan 2017
#257
Did the Root cheer for Joe Lieberman when he consistantly stabbed Dems in the back?
Larkspur
Jan 2017
#254
FDR was the first Democratic Presidential candidate to win the majority of black
Larkspur
Jan 2017
#261