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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: The Root: Pipe Down, Bernie Sanders [View all]Gothmog
(154,470 posts)98. Sanders was on the ballot in 2016 and under performed Clinton
Your theory is undercut by the fact that Sanders was on the ballot in 2016 and Sanders underperformed Hillary Clinton https://extranewsfeed.com/bernie-sanders-was-on-the-2016-ballot-and-he-underperformed-hillary-clinton-3b561e8cb779#.jbtsa3epl
Of course, this narrative ignores the facts that despite Clintons supposed flaws, she easily defeated Sanders in the primary via the pledged delegate count, that Sanders inability to convince minority voters doomed his campaign for the nomination, and that the attempt to use superdelegates to override the popular vote was an undemocratic power grab.
And the white workers whose supposed hate for corporate interests led them to vote for Trump? They dont seem upset that Trump has installed three Goldman Sachs executives in his administration. They dont seem to be angry that Trumps cabinet is the wealthiest in US history. And we havent heard any discontent from the white working class over Trump choosing an Exxon Mobil CEO for Secretary of State.
The devil is in the details, and at first glance, it is easy to see why so many people can believe that Bernie actually would have won. He got a great deal of positive media coverage as the underdog early on, especially with Republicans deliberately eschewing attacks on him in favor of attacks on Clinton. His supporters also trended younger and whiter, demographics that tend to be more visible in the media around election time. A highly energized and vocal minority of Sanders supporters dominated social media, helping him win online polls by huge margins.
But at some point, you have to put away the narrative and actually evaluate performance. This happens in sports all the time, especially with hyped up amateur college prospects before they go pro. Big time college players are often surrounded by an aura, a narrative of sorts, which pushes many casual observers to believe their college skills will translate to success on the next level. But professional teams have to evaluate the performance of these amateur players to determine if they can have success as professionals, regardless what the narrative surrounding them in college was. A college player with a lot of hype isnt necessarily going to succeed professionally. In fact, some of the most hyped up prospects have the most underwhelming performances at the next level. In the same vein, we can evaluate Sanders performance in 2016 and determine whether his platform is ready for the next level. Sanders endorsed a plethora of candidates and initiatives across the country, in coastal states and Rust Belt states. He campaigned for these candidates and initiatives because they represented his platform and his vision for the future of the Democratic Party. In essence, Bernie Sanders was on the 2016 ballot. Lets take a look at how he performed.
And the white workers whose supposed hate for corporate interests led them to vote for Trump? They dont seem upset that Trump has installed three Goldman Sachs executives in his administration. They dont seem to be angry that Trumps cabinet is the wealthiest in US history. And we havent heard any discontent from the white working class over Trump choosing an Exxon Mobil CEO for Secretary of State.
The devil is in the details, and at first glance, it is easy to see why so many people can believe that Bernie actually would have won. He got a great deal of positive media coverage as the underdog early on, especially with Republicans deliberately eschewing attacks on him in favor of attacks on Clinton. His supporters also trended younger and whiter, demographics that tend to be more visible in the media around election time. A highly energized and vocal minority of Sanders supporters dominated social media, helping him win online polls by huge margins.
But at some point, you have to put away the narrative and actually evaluate performance. This happens in sports all the time, especially with hyped up amateur college prospects before they go pro. Big time college players are often surrounded by an aura, a narrative of sorts, which pushes many casual observers to believe their college skills will translate to success on the next level. But professional teams have to evaluate the performance of these amateur players to determine if they can have success as professionals, regardless what the narrative surrounding them in college was. A college player with a lot of hype isnt necessarily going to succeed professionally. In fact, some of the most hyped up prospects have the most underwhelming performances at the next level. In the same vein, we can evaluate Sanders performance in 2016 and determine whether his platform is ready for the next level. Sanders endorsed a plethora of candidates and initiatives across the country, in coastal states and Rust Belt states. He campaigned for these candidates and initiatives because they represented his platform and his vision for the future of the Democratic Party. In essence, Bernie Sanders was on the 2016 ballot. Lets take a look at how he performed.
After looking at a number of races where sanders supported candidates under perform Hillary Clinton, that author makes a strong closing
If Sanders is so clearly the future of the Democratic Party, then why is his platform not resonating in diverse blue states like California and Colorado, where the Democratic base resides? Why are his candidates losing in the Rust Belt, where displaced white factory workers are supposed to be sympathetic to his message on trade? The key implication Sanders backers usually point to is that his agenda is supposed to not only energize the Democratic base, but bring over the white working class, which largely skews Republican. Universal healthcare, free college, a national $15 minimum wage, and government controlled prescription drug costs are supposed to be the policies that bring back a white working class that has gone conservative since Democrats passed Civil Rights. Sanders spent $40 million a month during the primary, and was largely visible during the general, pushing his candidates and his agenda across the country. The results were not good specifically in regards to the white working class. The white working class did not turnout for Feingold in Wisconsin, or for universal healthcare in Colorado. Instead, they voted against Bernies platform, and voted for regular big business Republicans.
Why did Sanders underperform Clinton significantly throughout 2016 first in the primaries, and then with his candidates and initiatives in the general? If Sanders platform and candidates had lost, but performed better than Clinton, than that would be an indicator that perhaps he was on to something. If they had actually won, then he could really claim to have momentum. But instead, we saw the opposite result: Sanders platform lost, and lost by much bigger margins than Clinton did. It even lost in states Clinton won big. What does that tell us about the future of the Democratic Party? Well, perhaps we need to acknowledge that the Bernie Sanders platform just isnt as popular as its made out to be.
Why did Sanders underperform Clinton significantly throughout 2016 first in the primaries, and then with his candidates and initiatives in the general? If Sanders platform and candidates had lost, but performed better than Clinton, than that would be an indicator that perhaps he was on to something. If they had actually won, then he could really claim to have momentum. But instead, we saw the opposite result: Sanders platform lost, and lost by much bigger margins than Clinton did. It even lost in states Clinton won big. What does that tell us about the future of the Democratic Party? Well, perhaps we need to acknowledge that the Bernie Sanders platform just isnt as popular as its made out to be.
If your theory on the importance of independents was correct, then Sanders should have out performed Clinton and not under performed
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So we cant complain about him but he can complain about us. Got it. He's more important
bravenak
Jan 2017
#11
It keeps him on the front page and groups keep paying to have him speak.
redstatebluegirl
Jan 2017
#242
That's what I'm telling him. Walk the walk. Can't learn from anybody if he's the one doing all
bravenak
Jan 2017
#34
Speaking of "walk the walk", have we heard a single word in defense of Rep. John Lewis...
George II
Jan 2017
#66
Yes -- you obviously just chose not to see his statement. It was posted on this site
KPN
Jan 2017
#206
I "chose" not to see it? Before I said anything about it I checked his website. Not there (yet)
George II
Jan 2017
#212
Substantive is in the eye of the beholder. As for "woulda, coulda, shoulda", perhaps....
George II
Jan 2017
#226
Didn't the polling data suggest that the more Bernie campaigned, more POC voted for him?
aikoaiko
Jan 2017
#73
With all that's coming out about the ruskies cyber-hacking and perhaps more than that...
LenaBaby61
Jan 2017
#187
This is the answer, too much hurt feelings and distrust left over from this election
Eliot Rosewater
Jan 2017
#81
He is trying to help fix a party that has been GUTTED all over the country at every level!
RBInMaine
Jan 2017
#285
Identity politics are like the most important thing along with political correctness and things of
bravenak
Jan 2017
#244
And once again, black people and other minorities are the MOST reliable members
forjusticethunders
Jan 2017
#273
He can fight for progressive goals without fighting the Dem party. Fight the effin repugs...
brush
Jan 2017
#153
Well said. I don't disagree other than the anti-war bit but I'll leave that alone.
tecelote
Jan 2017
#65
Definitely too much conflict between factions. We need to emphasize working together more.
randome
Jan 2017
#67
Would you be welcoming someone who keeps bad-mouthing you? It works both ways.
randome
Jan 2017
#202
But Sanders has not joined the Democratic Party and is running for re-election as an indie
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#250
I like the real world and for me Sanders' platform was not realistic and was based on a "revolution"
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#276
Nobody ever called him racist. It was called tone deaf. And the point stands with his anti PC
bravenak
Jan 2017
#10
There are good reasons why Sanders is not appealing to African American and other voters
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#97
As you noted, you were in the minority of the African American community on this issye
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#131
I got to meet Congressman Lewis iniatially because of my work in voter protection
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#220
I dispute your contention that only a "minuscule" number of DUers posted on JPR.
yardwork
Jan 2017
#194
Strange how so many have nothing to say about Russian hacking or Donald's Russian support
UCmeNdc
Jan 2017
#31
He could start with stop smearing allies of the left who disagree with him on minor points.
JHan
Jan 2017
#55
examples of smearing people who disagree with him on minor points, please, particularly as
JCanete
Jan 2017
#230
your first post was rehashing. These 13 dems didn't have a minor disagreement. nt
JCanete
Jan 2017
#232
In the interest of "transparency", the bombastic title is "Shut Up Bernie Sanders" (not my title)
George II
Jan 2017
#62
So, you are saying that because Sanders ran a campaign to win the election...
Talk Is Cheap
Jan 2017
#89
Sanders claimed that the system was rigged and Trump quoted Sanders on numerous occassions
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#134
Yes, he did help Trump win, and thank you for your factual links and contributions
R B Garr
Jan 2017
#193
Posts critical of Bernie never get removed, OTH,posts critical of Corey Booker do.
m-lekktor
Jan 2017
#127
if you haven't been paying attention, there has been a great consolidation of wealth in the pockets
JCanete
Jan 2017
#144
Unnuanced articles that simply want to make one of the voices of the left/center-left bad or wrong,
JCanete
Jan 2017
#136
Your neener-neener posts don't change the fact that Bernie lost the primary. Sorry,
R B Garr
Jan 2017
#256
Such a failed message that he was invited to participate in yesterday's tribute to MLK, Jr...
SMC22307
Jan 2017
#259
EVERYONE was invited to commemorate MLK day. It's a national holiday set aside
R B Garr
Jan 2017
#264
Well, none of us are SENATORS on this board, so it's a silly analogy to ask why
R B Garr
Jan 2017
#272
The Church is described as a "favorite" of politicians. Seriously, it fits the pattern that you
R B Garr
Jan 2017
#280
Yes, he's done quite an about-face on identity politics now that he can get media attention
R B Garr
Jan 2017
#257
Did the Root cheer for Joe Lieberman when he consistantly stabbed Dems in the back?
Larkspur
Jan 2017
#254
FDR was the first Democratic Presidential candidate to win the majority of black
Larkspur
Jan 2017
#261