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JCanete

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3. agreements between Obama and Clinton were almost certainly made to achieve that result, or at least
Thu Jan 19, 2017, 03:10 AM
Jan 2017

I think that's a damn good bet. I would assume Sanders and Clinton teams also had discussions. It could be that what was being put on the table, if anything, was not the olive leaf Sanders was holding out for.

This is my own opinion and I know they vary and that none of us are privy to the mind's of the candidates, but here goes anyway:

Having campaigned for one very particular reason--to move the Democratic frontrunner to the left--I feel that had the Clinton team made serious gestures towards championing some of Sander's causes at this point in the campaign, that he would have happily bowed out. My own entirely uncorroborated guess(as everybody else's opinion on this matter will be), is that Sanders saw the writing on the wall...that Clinton and the establishment was about to put his unprecedentedly funded campaign behind her. You might say that the sportsman-like thing, the honorable thing, to do would be to bow out when you lose. This isn't a game though. That kind of groundswell that Sanders achieved doesn't come around that often, and it was about to be entirely discarded(again, my own interpretation).

Sanders could allow that to happen, or he could get the Democratic establishment to realize that it needed to pay attention to its left-most constituency. He used what he had, and that was the ability to take things all the way to the convention with the support of enough funding and enthusiasm.

So I don't deny that criticisms from the left hurt Clinton, but I disagree that the problem was Sanders or the left. At the end of the day, maybe she lost a few votes from some liberals, but most of us turned up for her anyway, myself in large part because she and the party eventually adopted some of Sander's positions and proposals. I really needed them to say something concrete already. On the other hand, the corporate media destroyed her and delivered a huge chunk of the country, as it always does, to the Republican opponent...yeah, the same big money influences that we keep trying to maintain relationships with. That's how that's going.



Hear Hear.. one of about 8 or so factors , but a real one. nt pkdu Jan 2017 #1
K & R. n/t NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #2
agreements between Obama and Clinton were almost certainly made to achieve that result, or at least JCanete Jan 2017 #3
I agree with that opinion. I think they got a frosty reaction from the clinton dionysus Jan 2017 #4
that article was crap . they lost and acted like they were owed something JI7 Jan 2017 #5
That's nice. Nt dionysus Jan 2017 #6
no, they were not nice, they were assholes . booing her during her convention speech JI7 Jan 2017 #8
You sound upset that a few people were jerks. Nt dionysus Jan 2017 #10
it was more than a few. i'm sure they cheered when trump won. just look at that website JI7 Jan 2017 #11
Are you talking about the jacknut radidorks or whatever they call themselves? dionysus Jan 2017 #12
that's my point. those types made up many "bernie supporters" although i said their JI7 Jan 2017 #14
I always viewed the assholes as trolls, at worse ratfuckers trying to sow dionysus Jan 2017 #16
Some may have been Russian trolls BainsBane Jan 2017 #31
Yep. And some trolls wern't Russian, just right wing *posing* LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #34
The stadium thing really sticks with me. joshcryer Jan 2017 #70
The Sanders people were jerks at the National Convention Gothmog Jan 2017 #73
I don't believe that for a second. joshcryer Jan 2017 #19
remember the lies about Clinton revenge list JI7 Jan 2017 #20
wow...so that was rude. I didn't peddle a rumor. I wasn't referring to a rumor. I'm not even JCanete Jan 2017 #21
It just reeks of cronyism. joshcryer Jan 2017 #23
This is politics. Every cabinet position that is filled is a consideration of politics. Each is JCanete Jan 2017 #38
Any version of that kind of talk is not substantiated by any credible information out there.. JHan Jan 2017 #39
are you saying right now that people don't negotiate things in Washington? You are focusing solely JCanete Jan 2017 #42
Yes it's politics but it's not a big deal because it truly doesn't matter.. JHan Jan 2017 #45
I don't think you can accept that politics is a reality, and then say all that matters is JCanete Jan 2017 #54
Well we can navel gaze about the motivations of politicians all day... JHan Jan 2017 #56
In the real world, sanders helped Trump win Gothmog Jan 2017 #75
Sorry, we remember that Obama had to work very hard to convince her to sign on as SOS emulatorloo Jan 2017 #46
Appeasement vs reward are very different things. joshcryer Jan 2017 #64
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #74
Sanders attacked Hillary Clinton and trump directly and accurately quoted Sanders attacks. In the r Gothmog Jan 2017 #29
The system is rigged. It really really is Goth. That you are part of the Democratic Establishment JCanete Jan 2017 #37
We get our asses handed to us because we haven't got a clue.. JHan Jan 2017 #41
You really believe that change just happens from inside without a push from the outside to make it JCanete Jan 2017 #47
That article about Cory's vote shows that it wasn't a "battle of hastings" to fight.. JHan Jan 2017 #49
Yes, but a fundamental component to knowing you're on the right track with your insider politicians JCanete Jan 2017 #53
you vote for people whose views closely align to yours... JHan Jan 2017 #55
corporate media has an agenda oh yes, but also the resources to blast it everywhere, in every JCanete Jan 2017 #58
step back for a minute... JHan Jan 2017 #59
Look, I've never felt like Clinton has been leading a charge on any of those things. If she has JCanete Jan 2017 #60
And you're continuing to miss my simple point: JHan Jan 2017 #61
we're missing each others...my opinion is that we won't have good candidates if we don't demand that JCanete Jan 2017 #62
I haven't always cared for centrism but... JHan Jan 2017 #68
Are you happy that Sanders helped Trump win? Gothmog Jan 2017 #43
Oh fuck.. I never said the primary process was rigged by the way. OUR ENTIRE SYTEM IS RIGGED. JCanete Jan 2017 #50
All Sanders did was give us Trump Gothmog Jan 2017 #72
That's why Clinton supporting Obama was important. joshcryer Jan 2017 #65
excellent comments!nt m-lekktor Jan 2017 #36
what's interesting is that the White Working Class Supported Hillary over Obama in 2008 JI7 Jan 2017 #7
Hillary should have gone after him on not releasing his Taxes and other things JI7 Jan 2017 #9
Where bernie as ruthless as some claim, he wouldn't have called BS on the dionysus Jan 2017 #13
he said she wasn't qualified to be president JI7 Jan 2017 #15
The racism during that was unbelivable. joshcryer Jan 2017 #18
The Clinton campaign treated Sanders with kid gloves Gothmog Jan 2017 #30
Bernie's not ruthless. But Weaver's incompetent. Went from issues to scorched earth emulatorloo Jan 2017 #48
Hillary was very soft on Sanders, that is undeniable. joshcryer Jan 2017 #17
He didn't get all the concessions he wanted BainsBane Jan 2017 #22
Yep. nt LexVegas Jan 2017 #24
there was a lot of reticence over Trump too, on the GOP Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #25
That's just it...that's why I think there was machine hacking LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #35
there was massive hacking, or people lied in exit polls and pre-election polls or both Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #40
I agree Bernie was a problem ultimately for HRC. Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #26
Thanks for posting this! NastyRiffraff Jan 2017 #27
Sanders did not come close to doing everything he could to help Clinton win Gothmog Jan 2017 #28
If anything he did the opposite. joshcryer Jan 2017 #67
Agreed Gothmog Jan 2017 #71
Yeah, Cornel West made no sense whatsoever Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #32
Cornell West was more symbolic than anything. joshcryer Jan 2017 #69
Don't you get it Josh? Only women are expected to concede and help the man win. boston bean Jan 2017 #33
That is the position of the BOBers Gothmog Jan 2017 #44
Yes there was and continues to be sexism in that regard. joshcryer Jan 2017 #66
Unforgivable - Loath Him otohara Jan 2017 #51
That was a stark, stark contrast. LisaM Jan 2017 #52
those taken in by GOP propaganda on Clinton will now get an education in REAL Corruption from DT Bill USA Jan 2017 #57
Yes. Corruption when Trump is done well resemble Russian mafia. joshcryer Jan 2017 #63
Clinton supporters got their candidate. TDale313 Jan 2017 #76
K&R n/t JTFrog Jan 2017 #77
K & R SunSeeker Jan 2017 #78
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