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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Reticence created an enthuism gap [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)58. corporate media has an agenda oh yes, but also the resources to blast it everywhere, in every
frequency, finding everybody's registers.
No, she did need to be loud about Wall Street. The noise does matter. This is a gridlocked Washington. Imploring the corporations to help her move them in the right direction is all well and good, but it is absolutely pointless. It just makes you the best understudy for the role of President possible. If they can't get the corporate shill, they'll take the one who wants to nudge them in the right direction, but be damned sure they're going to put their thumb on the scales for the corporate shill.
Putting in your platform that you want to stop a certain kind of abuse on Wall Street is at least something, but if you aren't riding a message of fighting corporate greed into Washington, then: first, you don't have a strong enough and focused enough message that will resonate with people who have good reasons to be cynical about Washington, and second, you don't have a galvanized public behind you and that issue, so that once you get in there you can actually cajole some institutions into conceding some ground.
As to destroying, again...either you point out corporate ties or you don't. Trying to paint Sander's platforms as unicorns was attempting to destroy something far more significant than Sanders and his candidacy...it was making things that should be possible into fantasies...like, what do you know, free college tuition. Such a fantasy that Clinton eventually added it to her platform. That in my opinion, is destruction.
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agreements between Obama and Clinton were almost certainly made to achieve that result, or at least
JCanete
Jan 2017
#3
no, they were not nice, they were assholes . booing her during her convention speech
JI7
Jan 2017
#8
it was more than a few. i'm sure they cheered when trump won. just look at that website
JI7
Jan 2017
#11
that's my point. those types made up many "bernie supporters" although i said their
JI7
Jan 2017
#14
wow...so that was rude. I didn't peddle a rumor. I wasn't referring to a rumor. I'm not even
JCanete
Jan 2017
#21
This is politics. Every cabinet position that is filled is a consideration of politics. Each is
JCanete
Jan 2017
#38
Any version of that kind of talk is not substantiated by any credible information out there..
JHan
Jan 2017
#39
are you saying right now that people don't negotiate things in Washington? You are focusing solely
JCanete
Jan 2017
#42
I don't think you can accept that politics is a reality, and then say all that matters is
JCanete
Jan 2017
#54
Sorry, we remember that Obama had to work very hard to convince her to sign on as SOS
emulatorloo
Jan 2017
#46
Sanders attacked Hillary Clinton and trump directly and accurately quoted Sanders attacks. In the r
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#29
The system is rigged. It really really is Goth. That you are part of the Democratic Establishment
JCanete
Jan 2017
#37
You really believe that change just happens from inside without a push from the outside to make it
JCanete
Jan 2017
#47
That article about Cory's vote shows that it wasn't a "battle of hastings" to fight..
JHan
Jan 2017
#49
Yes, but a fundamental component to knowing you're on the right track with your insider politicians
JCanete
Jan 2017
#53
corporate media has an agenda oh yes, but also the resources to blast it everywhere, in every
JCanete
Jan 2017
#58
Look, I've never felt like Clinton has been leading a charge on any of those things. If she has
JCanete
Jan 2017
#60
we're missing each others...my opinion is that we won't have good candidates if we don't demand that
JCanete
Jan 2017
#62
Oh fuck.. I never said the primary process was rigged by the way. OUR ENTIRE SYTEM IS RIGGED.
JCanete
Jan 2017
#50
what's interesting is that the White Working Class Supported Hillary over Obama in 2008
JI7
Jan 2017
#7
Bernie's not ruthless. But Weaver's incompetent. Went from issues to scorched earth
emulatorloo
Jan 2017
#48
there was massive hacking, or people lied in exit polls and pre-election polls or both
Fast Walker 52
Jan 2017
#40
Don't you get it Josh? Only women are expected to concede and help the man win.
boston bean
Jan 2017
#33