Reticence created an enthuism gap

[JCanete]

60. Look, I've never felt like Clinton has been leading a charge on any of those things. If she has

addressed public disaffection, and a demand for certain changes...hell even embraced them, though I have a hard time going that far, it has always been because that demand was already there and it was a safe leap.

That's okay. It's what made her the front-runner of the party. You get to a place too early and you might end up like she did after trying to push for single-payer...which taught her a whole lot about caution and watching the weather...maybe too much about it...because the problem is it starts to be hard to see what a person is standing for when that person is waiting for it to already be popular. That's why Clinton, and a lot of insiders need to be pushed from the outside. You can call it shouting, but these ideas need to enter into the public discourse and they need to be made popular.

Sadly, on money the problem isn't just a lack of the issues popularity, that has been proven to be at least energizing of some part of the population...the problem is that we said if you can't beat them, join them and THEN try to change them. I have no doubt there are a lot of good intentions, but what I'm dubious about is that strategy, and one of the biggest problems with it is that it ties our hands behind our backs when we attempt to take on Republicans on these issues. On top of that, it is supposed to gag order any lefties because if they bring up the issue of money as it influence all politics, then they are helping fascism win. I gotta say, that's an interesting direction for that one..

Very few people on the left didn't want the Democratic candidate to win over Trump. People had legitimate reasons to be frustrated about our primaries, though on the other hand, I don't know what they expected, but I don't think its entirely stepping back yourself to say that it was all just about their guy losing. actually, a hell of a lot of us never expected him to win, and Sanders himself is probably in that category. We never thought he'd get as far as he did, exclusively on small donations, against a pick of an establishment that was certainly chilly to his presence--people are welcome to argue justifications for that chilliness if they want to, but denying it is kind of silly--so speaking for myself, I was just ecstatic that he got messaging into the public discourse that has deserved to be there for some time...messaging I might add, that you can't really deny has been lacking from it even though as people point out as a slight, it is not new.

So you want concrete solutions and so do I. The most important concrete solution is to correctly identify the problem. Everything else is a concrete solution to a bi-product of the problem.