2016 Postmortem

George II

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37. Curiuously the three who voted to hide had coherent comments to explain their votes....

Sat Jul 18, 2015, 09:43 AM

Jul 2015

....but the four who voted to leave it had none.

I guess in today's DU environment calling the woman DEMOCRATIC candidate a whore is acceptable. Truly sad.

On Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:17 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

Rec'd
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=455232

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Referring to Hillary Clinton as a "whore" (twice) is offensive and inapproprriate!

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:26 AM, and voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE

Explanation: No explanation given

Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT

Explanation: Are you kidding me!? Poster should be BANNED.

Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE

Explanation: No explanation given

Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE

Explanation: No explanation given

Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT

Explanation: Too iffy, even if it sounds okay to use the word in the male "economic sellout" sense. It's just that there's no trusting that same contextual use of it when sexist labels are too oppressive in other contexts for over half the population. Arguably using divisively sexist, pejorative language within the party just excuses opponents to use it, too, and they are the guyz who really do mean it.

Use of historically sexist words in other contexts just starts another version of all the "arguable," "excusable" contexts for using the word "nigger." Those who argue for using racist/sexist labels can then deny their own motives in word choice before the public.

Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE

Explanation: No explanation given

Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT

Explanation: Could have gotten the idea across without such charged language.

Thank you.

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Hedge Fund Titans Choosing Hillary Clinton Over Top Republicans [View all] Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 OP

... which implies they don't take her tax hike message seriously, Auggie Jul 2015 #1

Yup... Helen Borg Jul 2015 #4

Perhaps, but it could also be a reflection of the craziness of what the Republican Party has become still_one Jul 2015 #26

Or they think Democrats are better for the economy. Renew Deal Jul 2015 #36

Probably all three n/t Auggie Jul 2015 #57

Any elected official who hasn't collected from you is a threat Babel_17 Jul 2015 #201

...because she's going to be our next President. nt onehandle Jul 2015 #2

Which would make it.... daleanime Jul 2015 #20

Best president zentrum Jul 2015 #40

having her as president together with a far right congress is ideal for them Doctor_J Jul 2015 #3

/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Jul 2015 #65

+1 azmom Jul 2015 #125

Yup. moondust Jul 2015 #143

+100 kath Jul 2015 #147

*10000000 TheNutcracker Jul 2015 #180

Rec'd ibewlu606 Jul 2015 #5

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #22

+1,but expect a hide for that. nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #25

Annnnd there's the hide. Unbelievable. sufrommich Jul 2015 #66

Yup. KMOD Jul 2015 #76

Both should have been hidden MissDeeds Jul 2015 #112

I wouldn't have voted to hide the post that told the misogynist to fuck off. boston bean Jul 2015 #131

FYI. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #159

any further proof needed that the jury system is being abused? BooScout Jul 2015 #176

I noticed the same thing BooScout SCantiGOP Jul 2015 #206

Sorry, but then you would be wrong. And that's why this jury system is so badly broken. cui bono Jul 2015 #241

Absolutely not. Little Star Jul 2015 #155

Apparently we disagree MissDeeds Jul 2015 #189

Yeah, but which one isn't hidden? KMOD Jul 2015 #192

Both should have been hidden MissDeeds Jul 2015 #195

Bingo!!!! Little Star Jul 2015 #231

You weren't though JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #94

Thanks for the heads up.lol. nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #110

I didn't mercuryblues Jul 2015 #127

Calling Hillary Clinton a whore. You guys stay classy. nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #24

You guys? Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #34

Who are "you guys"? MissDeeds Jul 2015 #35

The poster plus four anonymous jurors who didn't explain their vote BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #107

Ha, nice try whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #64

Agree, totally uncalled for. There's so much to criticize Hillary for without resorting to crude name calling. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2015 #67

I recommend that everyone who objects to the "WHORE" post alert on it. MADem Jul 2015 #77

I agree. KMOD Jul 2015 #79

That was my alert, and was stunned that four people voted to keep it (with NO rationale) George II Jul 2015 #83

Ask all your friends who feel as we do to ALERT ON THAT WHORE POST!! MADem Jul 2015 #84

I would argue the witch hunts over words are what make DU suck Egnever Jul 2015 #268

The INTENT of that post was clear--it was a "dog whistle." MADem Jul 2015 #269

So if Hillary was a male it would be fine Egnever Jul 2015 #270

It would still be rude, but less obviously so. Historically, that word has been directed at women MADem Jul 2015 #271

Right, more sanctimonious lecturing Egnever Jul 2015 #272

You are very defensive. It's obvious I have touched a very raw nerve. MADem Jul 2015 #273

That's the point Egnever Jul 2015 #274

I am not planning on using any sexist, racist or other -ist insults, so I suspect I'll be fine. MADem Jul 2015 #275

I did. tazkcmo Jul 2015 #103

I did too. First post I've alerted on in well over a year n/t eridani Jul 2015 #276

Done. Agschmid Jul 2015 #223

I didn't call her that and it was an unfortunate choice of words on the part of the poster. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #129

unfortunate choice of words. KMOD Jul 2015 #132

He "misspoke." okasha Jul 2015 #141

Also politicians of various genders get called whores routinely Doctor_J Jul 2015 #182

I can't believe you are defending the posters use of the comment. KMOD Jul 2015 #185

Someone in YOUR group got an op hidden for calling us whores: beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #205

Knock it off!!! KMOD Jul 2015 #213

I did condemn it, why are you defending your side? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #215

Spare us.... BooScout Jul 2015 #217

So that post was okay with you? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #219

Can you give me a link to that? KMOD Jul 2015 #220

BOTH should have been hidden and I'm sorry the one upthread wasn't. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #222

A hidden post the 'stay classy' hypocrite above, rec'd. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #259

so your the one who warned on that.... BooScout Jul 2015 #214

Nice accusation but I was at work. Why didn't you alert on it? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #216

Who is "you guys"? cui bono Jul 2015 #235

You should hide that post. If that is the only way you can express disagreement it speaks volumes still_one Jul 2015 #29

A member for four and a half years.... George II Jul 2015 #41

My next post was going to say the same thing! ancianita Jul 2015 #42

A hide is all it gets? BooScout Jul 2015 #78

Worse - it DIDN'T get hidden! George II Jul 2015 #88

I saw that after... BooScout Jul 2015 #91

There was no HIDE--the person who OBJECTED to the WHORE characterization got the HIDE. MADem Jul 2015 #89

already done.... BooScout Jul 2015 #93

You applauded an op in the HC group who called Sanders supporters whores. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #211

Let's have a link for context, so I can see me applauding a post calling a woman a whore. MADem Jul 2015 #212

Do you really need a link to the post calling Sanders supporters whores? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #218

I want you to show me a post where I call a WOMAN a whore. You can't, can you? MADem Jul 2015 #225

Nice try but I never accused you of that. Here is my post again: beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #228

I wasn't laughing about the "w" word at all. You have difficulty with context, I see. MADem Jul 2015 #267

I alerted. shenmue Jul 2015 #265

Golly---ain't that something!!! MADem Jul 2015 #87

and it looks like a "hit and run". Make an outrageous post, and then crawl back in the hole where still_one Jul 2015 #90

DU jury people just let you get away with that "whore" bullshit. Maybe you're just too fucking new. ancianita Jul 2015 #31

Wow...just...wow. nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #32

Curiuously the three who voted to hide had coherent comments to explain their votes.... George II Jul 2015 #37

Thanks for sharing the results. I'm gobsmacked. nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #43

Ban them all Renew Deal Jul 2015 #46

I'm sure Senator Sanders would be VERY disappointed with the behavior..... George II Jul 2015 #49

People want to know what the (true) far left is Renew Deal Jul 2015 #52

There is nothing left about that post at all, it is a right-wing post Bjorn Against Jul 2015 #58

The username is their union Renew Deal Jul 2015 #63

Being a union member does not automatically make a person a lefty Bjorn Against Jul 2015 #69

You're right Renew Deal Jul 2015 #86

I've seen plenty of IBEW and pipe fitter Union stickers next to Romney stickers on pick-up trucks Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2015 #96

My teabagger nephew is a member of the IAFF. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2015 #200

Agree. nt msrizzo Jul 2015 #99

No question about it. still_one Jul 2015 #54

Because only a Sanders supporter would throw out a misogynistic slur like that, right? historylovr Jul 2015 #105

Your concern should be with the offensive post KMOD Jul 2015 #111

See post #48. historylovr Jul 2015 #115

Thank you! KMOD Jul 2015 #116

You're welcome. historylovr Jul 2015 #119

I can't see a hillary supporter calling her a whore, can you? boston bean Jul 2015 #123

I wasn't trying to deflect. historylovr Jul 2015 #138

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #117

As would HRC be of the behavior of many of her followers. What's your point? cui bono Jul 2015 #239

I didn't see that 'flaming turd' comment but I believe it was hidden? George II Jul 2015 #246

I believe it was not. And hosts replied in the subthread and never asked for a self-delete or gave cui bono Jul 2015 #248

Did you see the one calling us whores? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #253

They won't. You still can't find anybody who admits they voted for richard nixon. calimary Jul 2015 #139

Okay, I admit it....in 1968 (the FIRST election in which I voted) I voted for Nixon. George II Jul 2015 #251

That is why I avoid jury duty, because there are just enough who still_one Jul 2015 #53

That is why you are NEEDED on jury duty--if it had been you, instead of one of those no-comment MADem Jul 2015 #108

Considering the context "FU" response to the poster was appropriate, but also a clear violation still_one Jul 2015 #157

You aren't held to the TOS when you adjudicate. You can and should use context. MADem Jul 2015 #163

Appreciate the insight, thanks still_one Jul 2015 #193

I have found that the cleverest disruptors try to use a misunderstanding of the jury process to MADem Jul 2015 #197

Not a Hillary fan but this should 840high Jul 2015 #55

Hafta agree with you there. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2015 #71

Skinner??? BooScout Jul 2015 #81

or Earl G, but that is an excellent point still_one Jul 2015 #158

You can alert on the jury results and ask the admins to look at the posters who voted to leave it. MADem Jul 2015 #92

This is totally unbelievable etherealtruth Jul 2015 #100

just another one to the list... harumph.. boston bean Jul 2015 #104

Wow MissDeeds Jul 2015 #39

I hope you get tombstoned for that Renew Deal Jul 2015 #45

+1 KMOD Jul 2015 #51

+2 okasha Jul 2015 #146

+3 irisblue Jul 2015 #151

I can only hope sharp_stick Jul 2015 #154

Yup. Agschmid Jul 2015 #226

I don't do this. But I'm going to have to elaborate on my Jury comment: ancianita Jul 2015 #47

What a disgusting thing to say. historylovr Jul 2015 #48

As a Bernie supporter I really think you should self delete Bjorn Against Jul 2015 #50

Calling a woman a whore on Democratic Underground? onehandle Jul 2015 #59

Disgusting comment. KMOD Jul 2015 #72

You comment needs to be removed. That's as disgusting as someone who called Bernie a flying turd Autumn Jul 2015 #82

I don't think that calling bernie a flying turd was a bigoted slur, was it? boston bean Jul 2015 #106

Both are nasty, so yeah I equate both as unacceptable. n/t Autumn Jul 2015 #118

Both are. But calling Bernie a flying turd, is nothing like using a misogynistic/sexist slur. boston bean Jul 2015 #121

Whatever but I'm not interested in the discussion you want to have. So find someone else. Autumn Jul 2015 #126

And I was just pointing out the two are not even in the same league. boston bean Jul 2015 #130

As far as I'm concerned nasty is nasty, I'm not into the parsing of it n/t Autumn Jul 2015 #134

It's not parsing, it is making a false comparison. nt. boston bean Jul 2015 #135

Whatever. Autumn Jul 2015 #136

ok. boston bean Jul 2015 #137

HC supporter calling us that same slur: beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #207

In their group no less. Puglover Jul 2015 #261

What does it matter which category it falls under? They are both offensive and wrong. cui bono Jul 2015 #242

Because it does matter. nt boston bean Jul 2015 #244

No, it doesn't. Unless you are biased in some way or are letting something cloud your objectivity. cui bono Jul 2015 #247

The bias was included in the first comment that spawned this thread. My objectivity is crystal clear boston bean Jul 2015 #249

No, it really isn't. You posted above that you would not have hidden the reply to the despicable cui bono Jul 2015 #250

right because I don't put an general insult in the same category as a misogynistic slur. YMMV. boston bean Jul 2015 #252

Agreed, any post calling someone a whore should be hidden. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #209

its absolutely ridiculous that a jury didn't hide this! BooScout Jul 2015 #85

Agreed. historylovr Jul 2015 #113

Please delete this. TDale313 Jul 2015 #95

You guys are really exposing yourselves. Congrats. nt Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #102

Care to clarify? whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #166

Meaning right wingers posing as liberals. nt Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #167

So the one low-post troll then whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #168

There are others...others who have been here for years and have lots of posts. Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #169

Care to point them out whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #171

Link to them so you can alert and hide my post for call out? Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #172

I wouldn't alert whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #173

Ya right....I know how you folks operate. nt Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #174

2nd clarification whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #175

Why don't you share some of your outrage here at the offending poster? KMOD Jul 2015 #187

It was outrageous whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #190

Apparently not, since you think call outs are against the rules. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #263

there is no rule against backing up an accusation with evidence Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #260

Call-outs aren't against the rules on DU3. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #262

How Fucking DARE YOU!!!!!! calimary Jul 2015 #114

Stay classy (nt) Recursion Jul 2015 #120

Just so you know, Bernie fans, SHIT LIKE THIS is making the rest of you look HORRIBLE. calimary Jul 2015 #122

I am not the only Bernie fan who condemned this post Bjorn Against Jul 2015 #128

Don't go blaming ALL Bernie supporters. A lot of us have condemned that post. cui bono Jul 2015 #238

I sincerely do not believe that person is really a Bernie fan. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #264

When I serve on a DU jury I try to be impartial, no matter my candidate of choice. It's too bad the Metric System Jul 2015 #145

You've got to be fucking kidding me sharp_stick Jul 2015 #153

The jury system failed on your filthy post, but MerryBlooms Jul 2015 #160

the members who voted to NOT HIDE are complicit. wyldwolf Jul 2015 #199

Yes they are.. And, Bernie would be so proud. Not. Cha Jul 2015 #255

NO Democrat should be called a riversedge Jul 2015 #162

YOU!!!! heaven05 Jul 2015 #181

Some of you are really disgusting SCantiGOP Jul 2015 #188

Might not even be one of us heaven05 Jul 2015 #221

Stop with that bs talking point already. Enough is enough. cui bono Jul 2015 #245

+1 Cha Jul 2015 #256

I'm A Sanders Supporter and I found NikolaC Jul 2015 #191

Notice this post is ut oh Jul 2015 #194

A member was banned for calling Clinton something similar wyldwolf Jul 2015 #198

Utterly unapropriate post for DU. chknltl Jul 2015 #210

I'm sure the rest of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local Union 606... wyldwolf Jul 2015 #227

Replying to more easily track whether admins protect their candidate by deleting and banning aikoaiko Jul 2015 #229

Oh, please, if this poster is banned, KMOD Jul 2015 #230

I didn't defend the post. I advised him to change it and not use do this again. aikoaiko Jul 2015 #232

Jury results from earlier alert. nc4bo Jul 2015 #233

That's uncalled for and just plain wrong. Since it survived, you should self-delete. n/t cui bono Jul 2015 #234

Using the term "whore" to refer to a female candidate is offensive, tblue37 Jul 2015 #254

another Bernie supporter here who tried to alert on this post zazen Jul 2015 #257

Glad to see they banned you.... BooScout Jul 2015 #278

I'm not a huge fan of HRC, but calling her a "whore" isn't cool. ZombieHorde Sep 2015 #279

Nobody with a brain wants to see a repuglican in the WH. IHateTheGOP Jul 2015 #6

Oh? Hedge fund titans preferred Mitt Romney to President Obama in 2011-2012 fundraising. En Garde Jul 2015 #15

Looks like they are in agreement with her DURHAM D Jul 2015 #7

Yeah, that's the ticket ybbor Jul 2015 #11

Either her golden eloquence has stirred their social conscience: Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #8

I'm going with the latter ybbor Jul 2015 #12

Substitute "spouting" for "full of" and you'll be on the mark. Scuba Jul 2015 #68

They simply know the difference between LWolf Jul 2015 #73

It's all in the family. Her son-in-law runs his own hedge fund. They trust Hillary to take care... En Garde Jul 2015 #9

Hedge funds have been very, very good to Marc & Chelsea Divernan Jul 2015 #13

These people have no shame. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2015 #75

One hand washes the other. Divernan Jul 2015 #14

So Democrats have their very own .00001% candidate this year... we are so lucky. En Garde Jul 2015 #38

yayyyyyy! wooohooo! all bow...not! They feelin' the Bern! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2015 #80

That Tells You a Lot yellowwoodII Jul 2015 #10

Oh come on, they are just friends of Chelsea's..... nt artislife Jul 2015 #16

A DINO's Delight! SoapBox Jul 2015 #17

Might that be, because ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #18

What do hedge fund managers titans contribute to POC or humanity? Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #21

Nothing ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #30

individual philanthropic activities. .........LOL Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #70

Yeah? ... Okay? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #97

Yeah? ... Okay? n/t....LoL Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #124

What are you talking about? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #142

I have said nothing about my "economic philosophies" Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #144

That is exactly what I am talking about ... Straw - F'ing - Man ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #150

So what do you support......? Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #152

Just stop ... There was no question that wasn't answered ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #156

capitalism with strong governmental regulation. Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #161

Through trade agreements; but, let's be honest ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #165

""I live in the world as it is ..' Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #170

No, I do not know any of that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #179

''But my vision of the future is a vision that cannot be lived until it comes about. '' Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #183

Surprise - Surprise - Wonder What Those 1% Want In Return - Guaranteed Their Wants Won't Help The 99% cantbeserious Jul 2015 #19

This means nothing whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #23

Only Hill Haters believe she has any issues. Vincardog Jul 2015 #44

A clear cut case of misogyny RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #56

She has to be the BEST how else could she have raised all that MONEY? Caus MOLNEY is the ultimate Vincardog Jul 2015 #60

It's in the family, Chelsea's husband runs a hedge fund... PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #27

unregulated hedge funds like Hillary virtualobserver Jul 2015 #28

No friend of the working class for sure 4dsc Jul 2015 #33

They know the odds HassleCat Jul 2015 #61

The weirdo members of the richest club PATRICK Jul 2015 #62

Yup. Follow the money. 99Forever Jul 2015 #74

Centerpice of her campaign. tazkcmo Jul 2015 #98

Isn't pretty much every "group" in this country..... NCTraveler Jul 2015 #101

K and R snagglepuss Jul 2015 #109

Groups like that usually contribute to both sides. Even Unions and environmental groups will Hoyt Jul 2015 #133

Not a Hillary supporter but would NEVER EVER onecaliberal Jul 2015 #140

We should censor words now? Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #148

What news source called a presidential candidate that word? onecaliberal Jul 2015 #149

What is '' that word? Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #177

You know what I'm talking about. onecaliberal Jul 2015 #178

Hedge Fund Titans Choosing Hillary Clinton Over Top Republicans Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #184

Buh bye... onecaliberal Jul 2015 #236

You know what Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #243

I knew what you meant. Don't worry about the OP who can't put it together. boston bean Jul 2015 #196

''the OP who can't put it together.............'''.. Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #204

Well said. riversedge Jul 2015 #164

Did you reply to the OP by mistake? Babel_17 Jul 2015 #208

"The candidate’s populist rhetoric didn’t dissuade many managers from supporting her." arcane1 Jul 2015 #186

Yeah. Well. There's a reason for that. Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #202

Well of course they are. One of them is her son in law.x hedda_foil Jul 2015 #203

Anyone notice how most are not talking about the hedge fund op? Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #224

Did you read the thread. I also said I know she is owned by corps. onecaliberal Jul 2015 #237

So its my fault for reporting a true story" Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #240

Shocking. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #258

So I'm guessing Hillary won't be pushing to reinstate Glass Steagall anytime soon either. L0oniX Jul 2015 #266

Down payment. marmar Jul 2015 #277